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Old 03-25-2020, 10:38 PM   #621
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Default on the Chinese debt. There's a quick trillion or so.
This whole thing will cost $10 trillion+. And all it will do is delay the bankruptcy of people and businesses for a few months
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:04 PM   #622
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How will the economy look if we keep printing trillions of dollars to backstop every individual and business in the country? Continental dollar?
Itís not great but this needs to be done this time around. Thereís no way around it. And look, itís not going to cost much more than $2 trillion. Weíre opening this country up in April whether doctors or people like it or not. Itís happening. New York, NJ and California May be shut down longer because of their situation, but this is not going past April, no chance, Trump has totally made up his mind, you can tell.
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:31 PM   #623
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:02 AM   #624
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Well, the Senate approved the bill after all, 96-0
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:41 AM   #625
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Now the house needs to do its thing asap and get this ball rolling.
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:12 AM   #626
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We’re opening this country up in April whether doctors or people like it or not. It’s happening. New York, NJ and California May be shut down longer because of their situation, but this is not going past April, no chance, Trump has totally made up his mind, you can tell.
1. Trump doesn't have the authority to "open the country up," as you say. This is a state and municipality issue. Trump can say whatever he wants to, but he can't force states or cities to lift restrictions or ease social recommendations. I think most states and cities will do what's best for the health and well-being of their citizens and healthcare facilities.

2. The three states you list here comprise 70 million of the USA's 327 million people. That's not even mentioning the millions of other people who would still be at home under state restrictions. How would the national economy "open back up" without the largest state economies and workforces in the country?

3. "Whether doctors like it or not." LOL. Who should we trust in a pandemic, a man with zero medical experience or education? Or experienced doctors with years of medical expertise in the field of epidemiology?
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:56 AM   #627
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This is the economy now, time to start adapting instead of pretending things are going back to normal.
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Old 03-26-2020, 08:04 AM   #628
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Now the house needs to do its thing asap and get this ball rolling.
Pelosi sounds like thatís what she wants to do. Hopefully there arenít enough dissenters to stop it. There are other things that we can do, but letís just get this one done and then work on the rest.
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Old 03-26-2020, 09:37 AM   #629
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Can't wait until Trump blames everything on blue state governors. Be curious to see how the federal response changes when this starts to hit Florida, Arizona, etc...
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1. Trump doesn't have the authority to "open the country up," as you say. This is a state and municipality issue. Trump can say whatever he wants to, but he can't force states or cities to lift restrictions or ease social recommendations. I think most states and cities will do what's best for the health and well-being of their citizens and healthcare facilities.

2. The three states you list here comprise 70 million of the USA's 327 million people. That's not even mentioning the millions of other people who would still be at home under state restrictions. How would the national economy "open back up" without the largest state economies and workforces in the country?

3. "Whether doctors like it or not." LOL. Who should we trust in a pandemic, a man with zero medical experience or education? Or experienced doctors with years of medical expertise in the field of epidemiology?
That may be true, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night so
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Can't wait until Trump blames everything on blue state governors. Be curious to see how the federal response changes when this starts to hit Florida, Arizona, etc...
Love how the Florida governor won't issue a stay at home order because there aren't cases in every county. Isn't that the whole point?
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Why did the Trump Administration fail so badly?


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From at least 2005 to 2017, an office inside DHS, in tandem with analysts and supercomputers at several national laboratories, produced detailed analyses of what would happen to everything from transportation systems to hospitals if a pandemic hit the United States.


But the work abruptly stopped in 2017 amid a bureaucratic dispute over its value, two of the former officials said, leaving the department flat-footed as it seeks to stay ahead of the impact the COVID-19 outbreak is having on vast swaths of the U.S. economy. Officials at other agencies have requested some of the reports from the pandemic modeling unit at DHS in recent days, only to find the information they needed scattered or hard to find quickly.




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Old 03-26-2020, 09:55 AM   #633
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Love how the Florida governor won't issue a stay at home order because there aren't cases in every county. Isn't that the whole point?
There is also no testing/very little testing.
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From at least 2005 to 2017, an office inside DHS, in tandem with analysts and supercomputers at several national laboratories, produced detailed analyses of what would happen to everything from transportation systems to hospitals if a pandemic hit the United States.


But the work abruptly stopped in 2017 amid a bureaucratic dispute over its value, two of the former officials said, leaving the department flat-footed as it seeks to stay ahead of the impact the COVID-19 outbreak is having on vast swaths of the U.S. economy. Officials at other agencies have requested some of the reports from the pandemic modeling unit at DHS in recent days, only to find the information they needed scattered or hard to find quickly.





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Old 03-26-2020, 10:27 AM   #636
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people are obsessed with Donald Trump.
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Old 03-26-2020, 10:49 AM   #638
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The buck stops with us, and how we take care of our own health, how we vote, what we do to support our health systems, how we educate ourselves about how our health systems work and where there are deficiencies, and how we take every single initiative available to us to make our lives better for ourselves.

The buck stops at you. That’s the hard truth everyone should be learning.

Most people oppose things like a public option or, at least, Medicare For All (including the Obama administration and currently Joe Biden) and wonder why we don’t understand what resources we have and don’t have across an overwhelmingly privatized market. Most oppose free higher education to help address physician and nursing shortages by making healthcare programs affordable. This includes democrats and republicans.

Donald Trump is a figurehead. We have been making all of our own bad choices for decades and now individually we all don’t want to think about what we could do differently, we want to point a finger at someone else. Most people don’t even read their own hospital bills so long as their insurance is paying. They don’t care to know.

That’s all because most people don’t embrace accountability. If it’s out of sight they embrace keeping it out of mind. Some flat out run from it.

Ask yourself, how have you been taking care of your own health your whole life? How have you been working to ensure a healthy body and mind (to the best of your abilities) to help serve you in times such as this one? What have you been doing to lighten your individual need for healthcare resources? Maybe it’s a lot, for many it’s almost nothing. Then they point fingers.

That’s, again, a lack of self-accountability.

The buck stops at you.
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Even with the personal responsibility you are discussing, which of course exists, really doesn't address that we don't have the levers of power. Yes we should be educated and make educated choice, but we live in a society that is a collective. There isn't much as individuals we can do during a situation like this, nor is there a much we could do as individuals to prevent it from happening. I mean didn't we create governments to provide some organization and to assist with these types of problems? Can we ask for no accountability of government because when we point a finger there are 3 pointing back at us? Why even have a government at all?

Is there anything that this administration could do better during this crisis in your opinion? Is there anything that could be improve re: their response? Or is this all just "the left" trying to score political points as far as you see it?
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As far as the President being a figurehead, I'd argue that the President is a position that has real actual power it can wield. Yes, people often think the President can do more than they can (although currently we have a political party that believes the President's power is unlimited or at least should go unchecked), but there is real authority, power and ability to make an impact under our system of government. Donald Trump isn't the Queen of England...the executive branch has a role.
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