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Old 11-16-2018, 07:23 PM   #23401
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Surprised at the positive reactions the Riley Walker album is getting. Tried it again this afternoon. A real snoozer.
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Old 11-16-2018, 09:15 PM   #23402
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Yeah, but either way, you have to admit there's emotion in the 2000 / 2001 versions that hasn't been heard since.
For me, Roi was the emotion and soul of the song. He had solos in 06 and 07 that brought that emotion. The hoedown was always just a bonus to me.
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:36 PM   #23403
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Surprised at the positive reactions the Riley Walker album is getting. Tried it again this afternoon. A real snoozer.
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:56 PM   #23404
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For me, Roi was the emotion and soul of the song. He had solos in 06 and 07 that brought that emotion. The hoedown was always just a bonus to me.
I understand, but I really disagree. The most important thing about the song was how Dave sang it, and there was something genuine in his delivery, early on, that I think he lost later. Almost as importantly, I think the 00 / 01 Graces were Boyd at his absolute best - when he nails it, his counterpoint against the vocal line throughout the song is some of his finest playing across any era of DMB. Leaving that out of the studio version was such a bad choice, but then Boyd still played live (though less consistently; 2002 wasn't his best year) and so I felt like the song became hit and miss after Busted Stuff was recorded. The sax solo was always just a bonus to me!

The hoedown was just stupid.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:02 PM   #23405
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I understand, but I really disagree. The most important thing about the song was how Dave sang it, and there was something genuine in his delivery, early on, that I think he lost later. Almost as importantly, I think the 00 / 01 Graces were Boyd at his absolute best - when he nails it, his counterpoint against the vocal line throughout the song is some of his finest playing across any era of DMB. Leaving that out of the studio version was such a bad choice, but then Boyd still played live (though less consistently; 2002 wasn't his best year) and so I felt like the song became hit and miss after Busted Stuff was recorded. The sax solo was always just a bonus to me!

The hoedown was just stupid.
Heh, yeah, we appreciate different aspects for sure. For me, I always understood why Boyd was highlighted on such a bluegrassy-ish song. But Roi always stole the show for me.
9/7/02 from the Gorge release is one of my favorite versions. Love Roi on it.
Though I also do love the Live Trax Prelude > Grace from 2001 a lot too.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:07 PM   #23406
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12/21/02 LT 40 is the best GIG.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:08 PM   #23407
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For me, Trax 3 is definitely the best GIG. Rips your heart out. Prelude > GIG is a close second.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:11 PM   #23408
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Roi's last GiG is one of my all-time favorites. And not just for that sentimental reason. I loved it from the moment I saw it on the West Point webcast.

Missing Black Water on this video, but still...
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9.7.02 is *the* version of Grace is Gone, and the climax of that solo is probably one of my favorite 'Roi moments period.
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Dave lost all emotion singing when he switched to the prompter. Those are just the hard facts, itís not going away either.
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9.7.02 is *the* version of Grace is Gone, and the climax of that solo is probably one of my favorite 'Roi moments period.
I always felt this way until I heard this yearís version at The Gorge. But yes, two of the top performances of Grace, period.
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Old Yesterday, 04:55 PM   #23412
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Dave lost all emotion singing when he switched to the prompter. Those are just the hard facts, itís not going away either.
I think that kind of happens naturally when you introduce one. Some people are great at reading from a teleprompter like they're having a conversation, and others you can really tell they are reading and having Ron Burgundy moments

It never really bothered me that much when Dave would forget lyrics, and we certainly have lost some things like Two Step intros, and songs like Crazy Easy and Good Good Time and Sugar Will would never really be possible again because I imagine they'd set lyrics after one attempt.

It lead to some real trainwrecks on a few occasions, but also can end up creating something unique that still sounds cool. The studio Shotgun demo comes to mind. That whole bit at the end where he talks about how he "used to know how to play OK" and the way he was "conducting" the band with the "falling down the stairs" before they'd play the chorus were kind of fitting for that song.
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I think he lost his connection to the crowd. He relies on it less now, but he was always looking down while trying not to look like he was looking down. He lost a lot of his charisma and stage presence because he was no longer natural Dave, he was focused elsewhere.

It obviously has its positives as they can break out more songs, but that was a big negative and songs like Say Goodbye are now way worse. Itís not JUST the alt lyrics, but itís also that he doesnít sing it like he knows and owns it, because he longer has to and heís trying to read sing the lyrics unnaturally in a natural cadence.

Still probably worth it for the songs that can get played a handful of times a year because he has the lyrics in front of him.
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I think he lost his connection to the crowd. He relies on it less now, but he was always looking down while trying not to look like he was looking down. He lost a lot of his charisma and stage presence because he was no longer natural Dave, he was focused elsewhere.

It obviously has its positives as they can break out more songs, but that was a big negative and songs like Say Goodbye are now way worse. Itís not JUST the alt lyrics, but itís also that he doesnít sing it like he knows and owns it, because he longer has to and heís trying to read sing the lyrics unnaturally in a natural cadence.

Still probably worth it for the songs that can get played a handful of times a year because he has the lyrics in front of him.
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I think he lost his connection to the crowd. He relies on it less now, but he was always looking down while trying not to look like he was looking down. He lost a lot of his charisma and stage presence because he was no longer natural Dave, he was focused elsewhere.

It obviously has its positives as they can break out more songs, but that was a big negative and songs like Say Goodbye are now way worse. Itís not JUST the alt lyrics, but itís also that he doesnít sing it like he knows and owns it, because he longer has to and heís trying to read sing the lyrics unnaturally in a natural cadence.

Still probably worth it for the songs that can get played a handful of times a year because he has the lyrics in front of him.
This is just way too accurate.
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Old Yesterday, 09:11 PM   #23416
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Let's not forget to take into consideration how he's sang some of these songs hundreds of times over the years.
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Old Today, 02:31 AM   #23417
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For me it’s whatever though. There are a lot more irksome things about DMB ... like Rashawn. I think Dave is performing pretty damn good all things considered. Performing does not include setlist decisions
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Let's not forget to take into consideration how he's sang some of these songs hundreds of times over the years.


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