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Old 11-20-2020, 05:12 PM   #12021
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Old 11-20-2020, 08:40 PM   #12022
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The Michigan GOP leadership has issued a statement saying, essentially, that nothing has changed as a result of their White House meeting.
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Old 11-20-2020, 09:38 PM   #12023
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The Michigan GOP leadership has issued a statement saying, essentially, that nothing has changed as a result of their White House meeting.
the fact that the meeting took place in the first place is distressing in and of itself
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:53 PM   #12024
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The question I keep asking myself is how do we move forward? How do we find common ground? How did we overcome the partisanship and divisiveness?

The influence of social media and media seems insurmountable. I know the solution is rooted in the idea that all politics is local. Change happens at the dinner table and around the campfire. But combatting the manipulative influences of media (all types) seems like a futile endeavor.
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Old 11-20-2020, 11:12 PM   #12025
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The question I keep asking myself is how do we move forward? How do we find common ground? How did we overcome the partisanship and divisiveness?

The influence of social media and media seems insurmountable. I know the solution is rooted in the idea that all politics is local. Change happens at the dinner table and around the campfire. But combatting the manipulative influences of media (all types) seems like a futile endeavor.
Super poignant point.

People are going to have to disengage from this "social" media at some point. Hopefully it's not when some nuclear holocaust has happened.
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:53 AM   #12026
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The question I keep asking myself is how do we move forward? How do we find common ground? How did we overcome the partisanship and divisiveness?
Strong denouncement of current identity politics from both parties. Encouragement of moderation within both parties.

Oh, and a draconian ban on all social media. That might do it.

Realistically, I think it just gets worse. Promoting extremism makes money. We're a generation that grew up on dystopian disaster porn movies. This won't end well.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:09 PM   #12027
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Realistically, I think it just gets worse. Promoting extremism makes money. We're a generation that grew up on dystopian disaster porn movies. This won't end well.
This is what I keep thinking about. These ‘news outlets’ make so much money. Then add in evening programs and look at how much the salaries are for the Hannitys and the Maddows. People are feverish for it. They’re just keep going further left / right. You’d have to make news non profit and without ads or something to take the sensationalism out of it. The 24 hr, breaking news angle that 9/11 and the DC Sniper brought to our world is really terrible.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:32 PM   #12028
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Super poignant point.

People are going to have to disengage from this "social" media at some point. Hopefully it's not when some nuclear holocaust has happened.
Yup. I have one social media left and honestly I barely even look at it anymore.

What’s sad is all social media platforms start off well-intended and then angry people find ways to bastardize them with politicization. Twitter started as a way mostly for celebrities to reach fans. Now it’s basically an extension of every news outlet (right or left) in America. Facebook started as people posting Dave Matthews lyrics and Dalai Lama quotes from their dorm. Now it’s overwhelmingly a tit-for-tat with politically-obsessed loudmouths threatening to unfriend each other. Instagram started as pictures of food, now it’s often a series of memes ripped from Twitter.

LinkedIn, even, started as a way to find work and promote yourself. Now it’s a way for cancel culture to try and find out where you work because they’re ill-equipped to handle political and/or ideological differences.

I’m interested in seeing where TikTok goes. I don’t have it, and it seems pretty innocent now, but give it a year or two and people will find a way to make it about politics and fighting instead of completely innocuous fun.

Politics have ruined all of us, whether we’ve wanted them to or not. Misery loves company.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:44 PM   #12029
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This is what I keep thinking about. These ‘news outlets’ make so much money. Then add in evening programs and look at how much the salaries are for the Hannitys and the Maddows. People are feverish for it. They’re just keep going further left / right. You’d have to make news non profit and without ads or something to take the sensationalism out of it. The 24 hr, breaking news angle that 9/11 and the DC Sniper brought to our world is really terrible.
This is exactly what I’ve been trying to say for a while and many have told me I’m wrong.

If someone doesn’t see this, we must be living in different realities.

What we’ve learned in the last ten years is if you want to make money, publish articles or run TV segments telling people what they want to hear and then load up on advertising between each segment or article. Sprinkle in varying levels of truth to make it all seem 100% legitimate. Empower your viewer and they will reward you with their attention, which you can then monetize.

Politics and media are making us all think we have nothing in common. As I said the other day, we all have far, far more in common than we do with millionaire politicians or millionaire talking heads in the media.

Our issue isn’t right vs left, it’s the very upper class and our premier establishments vs. the other 99% of us that don’t see those paychecks.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:56 PM   #12030
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Politics have ruined all of us, whether we’ve wanted them to or not. Misery loves company.
we're a shitty, tribal species at our very core. social media has just weaponized this aspect.

but its not just politics, though that's certainly a huge part of it nowadays. race, sexuality, nationality... fuck here, in quebec, very often when things get boring, we like to bring language into the mix (like "omg i went to a store in downtown montreal, and they had the audacity to greet me in english instead of french?? let's get everyone upset about this!!" is something that comes up regularly in francophone media. like right now, for example..)

we fucking suck, and the planet will be better off without us one day.
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Old 11-21-2020, 01:11 PM   #12031
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I’d agree with all of that, though I think our current state of politics and social media is like dropping gas, no, a nuclear bomb, on all of that stuff.
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Old 11-21-2020, 02:21 PM   #12032
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Politics have ruined all of us, whether we’ve wanted them to or not. Misery loves company.
It's really about how people treat each other, ergo how they think oi themselves. Everything in our lives, collectively or otherwise, is a reflection of our inner attitudes. Granted, most of us care about each other. We try to follow the Golden Rule. But if we continue to allow ourselves to be atomized, it won't matter.

Take trade agreements. How much detail is the public usually given about them? These things have a huge impact on our lives. And we assume that because we pay taxes to people we've never met that they will a) use those monies wisely and b) inform us of the fine print of the deals they apparently make on our behalf.

What about bank overdrafts? Credit cards? Payday loans? Were societies consulted about the long term ramifications of these inventions? We're not talking about the pencil here.

Misery especially loves company when the opportunities are few and the options slim. But how much of these conditions were of our design?

When born, you are presented with a canvas already being drawn upon. Unless you grab a brush that suits your fingers to make images and colours, your soul will eventually be used as an Etch a Sketch by other people.
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Old 11-21-2020, 07:39 PM   #12033
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The case that created Rudy's big day in court Tuesday was dismissed by the Judge today. There are no remaining lawsuits to "play out".
In a 37-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Matthew W. Brann dismissed the lawsuit, describing it as a “Frankenstein’s Monster” of tortured legal claims that sought an “unhinged” remedy that would effectively disenfranchise all voters in the state.

That's the case that some treasonous monsters called "lots of interesting ideas that need to be brought forward".

“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” he wrote. “Instead, this court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations … unsupported by the evidence.”
Now what are we waiting for?
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I saw that healthcare workers in CO are blocking the cars from protesting.

I really didn’t want to go there but: fuck these people. Nurses make $100k/year with full benefits. I don’t feel sorry for them at all that they might catch a flu that’s not going to do anything to them. Such a stupid opportunity that they’re fully exploiting to jerk themselves off.
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The fact that they came outside in their scrubs - which they’re supposed to be keeping as clean and “uncompromised” as possible - tells you it was virtue signaling in an attempt to go viral. Just like all of the dumb TikTok videos that bored nurses in empty hospitals have been putting together across the country the last few weeks
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Old 11-21-2020, 07:41 PM   #12034
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posting this mostly as a little shitpost, and i'm not going to name names, but lets consider for a moment that this fucking grifter clown is taken seriously by certain people around here

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Old 11-21-2020, 07:48 PM   #12035
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posting this mostly as a little shitpost, and i'm not going to name names, but lets consider for a moment that this fucking grifter clown is taken seriously by certain people around here

Love to see it.
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:14 AM   #12036
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I've read the opinion now, and it is absolutely devastating. I'm not sure how to explain it in non-legal terms, but basically the Judge said:

- You haven't presented any reason why the Court should even hear this case (the legal concept known as "standing" which is required in every case)
- But even if you had standing to bring this case, you sued all the wrong people so I would still throw it out
- And even if these were the right people to sue, you haven't demonstrated any possibility of proving the facts you allege
- Even if you could prove those facts, the remedy you seek is completely ridiculous, entirely unprecedented, and outside the authority of any Court to grant

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The judge dismissed the Trump campaign’s argument that its observers were unfairly denied access to vote-counting operations in certain counties, noting that both Trump and Biden’s observers were subject to the same restrictions. He also said the Trump team’s lawyers misunderstood the lessons of Bush v. Gore — the Supreme Court ruling that delivered the 2000 election to George W. Bush — in their attempt to apply it to the current case.

And Brann rejected the notion that counties who offered voters an opportunity to “cure” defective mail-in ballots should have those votes thrown out because other counties — those with a larger proportion of Trump voters — did not. The decision not to offer voters a chance to cure ballots was not made by the parties the Trump campaign sued, namely Boockvar and seven heavily Democratic counties.

In rejecting this claim, Brann shredded the Trump legal team’s mix-and-match approach to their argument.
“This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent,” Brann wrote.

And I'll leave you with this summary of how assinine this whole exercise we need "to see how it plays out" was (emphasis added):
Even assuming that they can establish that their right to vote has been denied, which they cannot, [the two] Plaintiffs seek to remedy the denial of their [two] votes by invalidating the votes of millions of others. Rather than requesting that their votes be counted, they seek to discredit scores of other votes, but only for one race.

This is simply not how the Constitution works
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I saw that healthcare workers in CO are blocking the cars from protesting.

I really didn’t want to go there but: fuck these people. Nurses make $100k/year with full benefits. I don’t feel sorry for them at all that they might catch a flu that’s not going to do anything to them. Such a stupid opportunity that they’re fully exploiting to jerk themselves off.
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The fact that they came outside in their scrubs - which they’re supposed to be keeping as clean and “uncompromised” as possible - tells you it was virtue signaling in an attempt to go viral. Just like all of the dumb TikTok videos that bored nurses in empty hospitals have been putting together across the country the last few weeks
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:59 PM   #12037
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Curious to see what happens in MI tomorrow.
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Sidney Powell situation is pretty funny.
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Old 11-22-2020, 06:29 PM   #12039
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I hope the asshole no and forces this country to fix its elections.



This is too many times stepping up to the brink.
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I saw that healthcare workers in CO are blocking the cars from protesting.

I really didn’t want to go there but: fuck these people. Nurses make $100k/year with full benefits. I don’t feel sorry for them at all that they might catch a flu that’s not going to do anything to them. Such a stupid opportunity that they’re fully exploiting to jerk themselves off.
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The fact that they came outside in their scrubs - which they’re supposed to be keeping as clean and “uncompromised” as possible - tells you it was virtue signaling in an attempt to go viral. Just like all of the dumb TikTok videos that bored nurses in empty hospitals have been putting together across the country the last few weeks
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Old 11-23-2020, 03:03 AM   #12040
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I've read the opinion now, and it is absolutely devastating. I'm not sure how to explain it in non-legal terms, but basically the Judge said:

- You haven't presented any reason why the Court should even hear this case (the legal concept known as "standing" which is required in every case)
- But even if you had standing to bring this case, you sued all the wrong people so I would still throw it out
- And even if these were the right people to sue, you haven't demonstrated any possibility of proving the facts you allege
- Even if you could prove those facts, the remedy you seek is completely ridiculous, entirely unprecedented, and outside the authority of any Court to grant

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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