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Old 05-20-2012, 03:42 PM   #141
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Not really sticking up for him, but sometimes it feels like he gets the brunt of all DMB frustrations here.

Where the knock on Dave for writing crappy songs, being a complete lyrical memory cripple without his teleprompter crutch, lame piano parts, and a diminished guitar presence (perhaps due to Tim, fair) which at times being unable to play guitar and sing at the same time anymore (Seven). He's lost a step too. Not saying he's anywhere near Boyd but just throwing that out there.
I don't think this is fair, I have seen these complaints many times from lots of people.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:43 PM   #142
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considering they're better right now than they have been since at least 1998 (imo) i don't see it being an issue. it's not like roi's death crippled them. they had been working with jeff for months prior to it happening and basically carried on without a hitch.

Thats true, from a "hey its the same as the original 5 argument", I think it would be more of the same of what happens to bands nowadays where bands switch out members, and replace ones that either die or go their own way. Its never going to be that original 5 ever again, but at least keep the remaining four together would be sentimental at least. Once one more leaves or dies, I could see them just deciding to go their own ways.
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even before the teleprompter dave didn't flub lyrics any more than most other musicians. it's a common thing and just being a human.
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Thats true, from a "hey its the same as the original 5 argument", I think it would be more of the same of what happens to bands nowadays where bands switch out members, and replace ones that either die or go their own way. Its never going to be that original 5 ever again, but at least keep the remaining four together would be sentimental at least. Once one more leaves or dies, I could see them just deciding to go their own ways.
i really don't see anyone but carter leaving causing that to happen. him and dave are the most integral parts of the band, everyone else is replaceable. especially boyd and stefan.
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this is not necessarily true.
Sorry, I actually meant to write "probably".
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Not really sticking up for him, but sometimes it feels like he gets the brunt of all DMB frustrations here.

Where the knock on Dave for writing crappy songs, being a complete lyrical memory cripple without his teleprompter crutch, lame piano parts, and a diminished guitar presence (perhaps due to Tim, fair) which at times being unable to play guitar and sing at the same time anymore (Seven). He's lost a step too. Not saying he's anywhere near Boyd but just throwing that out there.
Even if this is the case, Dave still performs. Everyone will slow down and change their playing with age, but Boyd has found no way of compensating for the changes he has encountered personally or with the band.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:46 PM   #147
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i really don't see anyone but carter leaving causing that to happen. him and dave are the most integral parts of the band, everyone else is replaceable. especially boyd and stefan.
I'd be pretty upset if Stefan was replaced, I think he's extremely underrated and does a lot of distinctive things.

But I hear you.

If Carter's out, it's over though, definitely.
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I'd be pretty upset if Stefan was replaced, I think he's extremely underrated and does a lot of distinctive things.

But I hear you.

If Carter's out, it's over though, definitely.
I agree about Stefan, though more because he has grown with Carter and is so in tune with him. They make a great backbone to this band and I think that would be difficult as well.
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considering they're better right now than they have been since at least 1998 (imo) i don't see it being an issue. it's not like roi's death crippled them. they had been working with jeff for months prior to it happening and basically carried on without a hitch.
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i really don't see anyone but carter leaving causing that to happen. him and dave are the most integral parts of the band, everyone else is replaceable. especially boyd and stefan.
Technically anyone can be replaced, but the further we get from original band members, then its no longer the same band as we knew it.
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and he implies he doesn't get to work out as often as he'd like while on tour.
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Technically anyone can be replaced, but the further we get from original band members, then its no longer the same band as we knew it.
This is so true.
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I forgot to mention complete lack of awareness in setlist creation and losing all ability to improvise lyrics as Dave failures.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:51 PM   #153
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I'd be pretty upset if Stefan was replaced, I think he's extremely underrated and does a lot of distinctive things.
i agree, stefan is very overlooked in dmb's sound. not necessarily overlooked for his talents, because on the whole of professional bass players out there he's nothing technically astonishing. but, his style, approach, and parts are unique to the sound of dmb. dmb would sound really different with a different bass player. not necessarily better or worse, but very different.
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To be fair, he's probably sitting there thinking about working out when he should be at soundcheck.
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Technically anyone can be replaced, but the further we get from original band members, then its no longer the same band as we knew it.
No shit?

The original lineup was just Dave, Carter, Roi and Stefan.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:52 PM   #156
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exactly. to me, it just seems to be a slap in the face to people who paid money to go to the show. ethically, he should feel some level of responsibility to fulfill his part of the consumer contract that is assumed through us buying tickets and supporting him. does he just not think enough of the thousands of fans at that show to put forth 15 minutes before the show nailing down a part? pretty poor.
that's the worst part is that he's not willing to even put in the 15 minutes to brush up on the parts. And they had played Help Myself earlier that tour and he did the exact same thing. He knew he had to practice it and didn't. He didn't even come close to getting it right. Then he kept playing. If you don't know your parts, are gonna screw up, and might bring the band along with you, just don't play at all.
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I mean Dave can go out and recruit Victor Wooten, Slash, Dave Grohl, and some other allstar band members and call it DMB, but its not the same band. Just like Axel Rose can tour around with a bunch of guys and call it GnR, but we know the difference.
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I forgot to mention complete lack of awareness in setlist creation and losing all ability to improvise lyrics as Dave failures.
The first is not a change. The second is probably due to getting used to the teleprompter and becoming more dependent on it over the years, though I do miss his improv, it's not the same issues Boyd is having.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:55 PM   #159
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Also, to be fair with the Gorge video with the forgotten part, that was the very next show after the 2-day break for Roi's funeral. I give him a break on that one.
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This one's bad too. Rashawn nods Boyd on that he has to sing. Boyd still doesn't sing and Rashawn sings the first couple lines until Boyd catches on.
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