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Old 11-22-2019, 08:29 AM   #1181
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Old 11-22-2019, 10:59 AM   #1182
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Yeaaaa that's the ugliest car I've ever seen. I'm all for things not being cookie cutter but that's gross imo.
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Old 11-22-2019, 11:26 AM   #1183
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It’s like that bat mobile truck from the Nolan movies but with shittier windows
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I also always love Tesla’s starting prices, which basically include a completely stripped down version of their vehicles. You start adding basic shit and it usually ends up like $10-$20K higher in price.
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:57 PM   #1185
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That is one ugly vehicle.
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:57 PM   #1186
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Fuck, this is not the futuristic dystopia I wanted.
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Old 11-23-2019, 05:47 PM   #1187
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I also always love Tesla’s starting prices, which basically include a completely stripped down version of their vehicles. You start adding basic shit and it usually ends up like $10-$20K higher in price.
They also include things like "savings from not paying gas" and crap like that.

I'm glad Tesla is making a truck. And if I could afford it I would own a Tesla with pretty much no question. But this thing is a fail thus far.

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Old 11-24-2019, 08:26 PM   #1188
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Everyone can have their own opinion on the look of it, but I think you should at least know why.

Two reasons for the design:

1) the ultra-hard 30x steel breaks the stamping press
2) no paint process cuts down on cost and time

The specs are amazing. 3 different versions and the top one goes 500 miles for $70k.....people are not focusing on that part. That is cheaper than a Model S right now and almost 200 more miles of range....Tesla has improved their battery chem!!

Also, they're basically building it like a cantilever bridge, with the diagonals helping bear the rear loads. That's amazingly clever. Picture a top-supported cantilever bridge, and instead of a beam truss, using a continual skin. That's their loadbearing system.

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Whether you like it or not, there is demand for it. If you don't follow Elon, he posted this yesterday and the number is already up to 187k:





This is a nice review from Marques Brownlee on why he ordered one:

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Old 11-24-2019, 08:29 PM   #1189
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They also include things like "savings from not paying gas" and crap like that.
But this thing is a fail thus far.
And it's not a total fail. Not sure if you have seen this, but Elon released this of them practicing before the event.




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Old 11-24-2019, 08:42 PM   #1190
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We’re creating this alloy at Tesla. Not a problem to create a lot of it, but we’ll need to come up with new body manufacturing methods, as it can’t be made using standard methods.
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Old 11-24-2019, 09:17 PM   #1191
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Reaction from a good ole country boy.....spoiler - he likes it.

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Old 11-24-2019, 09:28 PM   #1192
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Elon 10 minutes ago on Twitter - 200k
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Old 11-25-2019, 01:29 PM   #1193
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I can't wait to see what Clarkson/May/Hammond think of it.
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Old 11-25-2019, 10:04 PM   #1194
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Jim Cramer finally saw that light.





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Memo to Tesla owners--you want me to say it will go to $400; i Drove in a new one this weekend, how about $ 4450500 making me high man? Now shut the heck up -- i am now the most bullish person on Wall Street. How's that?

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Old 12-02-2019, 11:55 AM   #1195
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:10 AM   #1196
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A nice breakdown for those interested:

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Old 12-04-2019, 09:25 AM   #1197
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This is fucking insane and stupid. More of the same from the Trump admin. I can't believe we live in the most advanced period of time and yet the collective of stupid population got Trump voted in as President.

BAFFLES MY FUCKING MIND.

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The sooner we get out of this mess the better.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:33 AM   #1198
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Washington State Ferries, which runs the second-largest ferry system in the world, is switching from diesel to batteries amid a growing trend toward electrification in shipping.
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“This is a good idea because it quiets the boats [while] obviously removing tons of diesel fuel emissions. But even if you’re not an environmentalist, this is a good idea for the taxpayer because we expect it to pay for itself relatively quickly, based on the price of fuel. It saves millions of dollars annually.”
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What a timely article:

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These utilities hold roughly $95 billion in coal power plant debt on their balance sheets, many of which operate within competitive wholesale electricity markets, where decisions on when to run those plants – and pay off their debt – are controlled by an independent market operator. Fast-falling clean energy costs have rendered 74% of U.S. coal plants uneconomic, meaning they recover less and less debt.
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When these utilities force coal plants to operate out of merit, they leave fewer market opportunities for clean energy like wind and solar. And of course, we're burning much more coal and releasing more emissions than expected, based on the prevalence of clean alternatives.
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The primary barrier from coal plants committing to operate out of merit is that it drives down market revenues for other resources. Basically, if a coal plant is offered below its cost of production or forced to operate regardless of market price, it’s going to prevent other generators from operating and depress market prices.

Those artificially lower market prices preclude short-run cost-competitive generators and generators that rely on market revenues for long-term contracts. New renewable projects, for example, often rely on power purchase agreements structured around market prices, or an expectation of future market prices. Depressing market prices pushes out new clean resources that should earn market revenue.
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Trajectory still on target for early 20's:

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BNEF projects that the overall industry’s cost reductions will continue, with $100/kWh at the pack level likely to be reached by around 2023, as stated in the above tweet. This is the point at which mass market electric vehicles (BEVs) are expected to reach sticker price parity with “equivalent” combustion vehicles, whilst larger vehicle classes and premium vehicles have already passed parity in several cases.
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MIT’s projected $124/kWh battery pack price in 2030 — that it deems inevitable on the basis of cobalt/nickel constraints — is obviously well out of tune with the trends on the ground, and doesn’t acknowledge the already existing plural pathways that the industry is pursuing, as discussed above.
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