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Old 02-01-2018, 02:27 AM   #1
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What's the worst year in DMB history?

I'm going with 2007. They were just a flat band at that time. The sets were really bad too.
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Obviously because Roi died, but I separate that from their creative output and live shows. And on that level, 2008 is one of my favorites.

I would say their worst years are 2005 or 2006. The only thing saving 2005 is the handful of special/great shows (Roseland, Red Rocks, MSG). 2006 has special shows too, but basically everything after Randallís Island was so abysmal, it was depressing. June and September in 06 were night and day.

2007 has some bad shows, but Alpine onward I thought was quite good. The year ended on a good note. The new songs were solid and getting better each time. The band was playing tight. Dreaming Tree became common, YMDT became good, Grace is Gone was cool, Shotgun got a lot smoother, etc. Compare all that to 2006, where by the end, Daveís voice was atrocious, the sets were now full of Dream Girl, Canít Stop, HFTGL, Canít Stop, Smooth Rider, Bayou, etc.
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2007 has some bad shows, but Alpine onward I thought was quite good. The year ended on a good note. The new songs were solid and getting better each time. The band was playing tight. Dreaming Tree became common, YMDT became good, Grace is Gone was cool, Shotgun got a lot smoother, etc. Compare all that to 2006, where by the end, Daveís voice was atrocious, the sets were now full of Dream Girl, Canít Stop, HFTGL, Canít Stop, Smooth Rider, Bayou, etc.
Among the positives mentioned above about 2007, I remember Stefan's bass intros were really inventive that year.
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Obviously because Roi died, but I separate that from their creative output and live shows. And on that level, 2008 is one of my favorites.

I would say their worst years are 2005 or 2006. The only thing saving 2005 is the handful of special/great shows (Roseland, Red Rocks, MSG). 2006 has special shows too, but basically everything after Randallís Island was so abysmal, it was depressing. June and September in 06 were night and day.

2007 has some bad shows, but Alpine onward I thought was quite good. The year ended on a good note. The new songs were solid and getting better each time. The band was playing tight. Dreaming Tree became common, YMDT became good, Grace is Gone was cool, Shotgun got a lot smoother, etc. Compare all that to 2006, where by the end, Daveís voice was atrocious, the sets were now full of Dream Girl, Canít Stop, HFTGL, Canít Stop, Smooth Rider, Bayou, etc.
2006 gets by too easily. It was a terrible year. To have them bust out the rarities early on only to ditch them less than halfway through the tour and turn the whole thing into 2005 part 2, only with Rashawn with them for every show morphing the band into cheesy horn line territory, Dave's voice degrading, and everyone looking completely lifeless and uninterested. We know now a break up was a strong possibility because of that tour. I think it's worse than 2005.

For worst ever though, I agree with Jack, everything bad that happened afterwards can be traced back to 2001.
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2005, first Rashawn appearance.
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2001 is still the year that I have the most negative immediate feelings toward. It was the first time that the band really let me down, and such a crushing shift from the euphoria most of us were feeling in 2000. That said, the band still sounded relatively good overall in 2001, ED songs excepted. That simply can’t be said for 2005, when the sets were almost universally shit and the band sounded awful playing most of them.

EDIT: 2001 had the additional issue of the open conflict and bad feelings between the band and the fans. That was not fun.
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2001 is still the year that I have the most negative immediate feelings toward. It was the first time that the band really let me down, and such a crushing shift from the euphoria most of us were feeling in 2000. That said, the band still sounded relatively good overall in 2001, ED songs excepted. That simply canít be said for 2005, when the sets were almost universally shit and the band sounded awful playing most of them.

EDIT: 2001 had the additional issue of the open conflict and bad feelings between the band and the fans. That was not fun.
Yeah I agree about 2001 being really fucking shitty when it comes to the bands direction. If you think about it, they lost a whole lot of the fanbase after that tour. They went from playing huge football stadiums in 2001, to just playing basketball arenas and ampatheatre's only in 2002. The band was still big (certainly bigger then now) but I feel like a chunk of the fan base was lost. Or maybe they just didn't want to play football stadiums anymore IDK.

As far as sound... in 2001 they were still damn good
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Yeah I agree about 2001 being really fucking shitty when it comes to the bands direction. If you think about it, they lost a whole lot of the fanbase after that tour. They went from playing huge football stadiums in 2001, to just playing basketball arenas and ampatheatre's only in 2002. The band was still big (certainly bigger then now) but I feel like a chunk of the fan base was lost. Or maybe they just didn't want to play football stadiums anymore IDK.

As far as sound... in 2001 they were still damn good
RCA is also a reason why DMB didn't play any stadium shows in 2002. You'd figure they'd scale it back to like playing 1 or 2 Giants Stadium shows because of the lack of full and quick sell-outs of all those stadium gigs in '01, but RCA pulled a lot of road money from DMB at that time so the band/management decided to scrap Stadium gigs altogether, which meant not even a single Giants Stadium show, which imo, would have most certainly sold out.

There was definitely a strain on the relationship with label and band for those few years '00 - '02.
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I tend to agree overall. But the band was still playing incredibly well in '01. I'd say 2009 was the year that changed the them the most to me. Loud and Fast started and the soul was lost. I very rarely listen to any DMB after 2008. I really can't stand the sound - truly a different band. Roi was obviously the soul, we lost Butch, who I LOVED, and once Tim came on full time, we audibly lost Dave's guitar. Major factors to what I loved about them was lost. Then there's Carter. Once Butch was gone, the Carter I loved was gone too. He shrunk his kit and started playing advanced generic rock music.
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Yeah. But another good thing about 2005 is that the band sounded great playing the old stuff still. Some amazing performances on WOTR for example (Pig, BOWA, YNK come to mind).
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Obviously because Roi died, but I separate that from their creative output and live shows. And on that level, 2008 is one of my favorites.



I would say their worst years are 2005 or 2006. The only thing saving 2005 is the handful of special/great shows (Roseland, Red Rocks, MSG). 2006 has special shows too, but basically everything after Randall’s Island was so abysmal, it was depressing. June and September in 06 were night and day.



2007 has some bad shows, but Alpine onward I thought was quite good. The year ended on a good note. The new songs were solid and getting better each time. The band was playing tight. Dreaming Tree became common, YMDT became good, Grace is Gone was cool, Shotgun got a lot smoother, etc. Compare all that to 2006, where by the end, Dave’s voice was atrocious, the sets were now full of Dream Girl, Can’t Stop, HFTGL, Can’t Stop, Smooth Rider, Bayou, etc.


I agree with all this.
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Though, personally, I think 2014-15 was the worst yet. Two sets bombed, the Ladies were back, no good new songs. Everything stale stale stale.
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Though, personally, I think 2014-15 was the worst yet. Two sets bombed, the Ladies were back, no good new songs. Everything stale stale stale.
Fuck.

Though I still enjoyed hearing the 2sets, but wish they'd been more diverse with the opportunity. No acoustic Jimi?!
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2001 no question. With 2005 nipping at its heels.


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2001 no question.

If you go this route, it really should be 2000. Firing Lillywhite and scrapping the Sessions is really the catalyst.

Then Dave and Ballard get together in September, the Band records their parts in October and

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