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Old 10-28-2014, 05:42 PM   #13321
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Alright, my kids are napping, and I'm not doing anything, so here's the by year breakdown as I can find it (numbers are millions of dollars, followed by their rank that year):

2000: 68.2 (#3)
2001: 65 (#5)
2002: 52.8 (#5)
2003: 47.1 (#11)
2004: 41.2 (#12)
2005: 45 (#8)
2006: 58 (#9)
2007: 41.1 (#12)
2008: 39.6 (#17)
2009: 52.3 (#18)
2010: 61.2 (#9)
2011: ?
2012: 41.4 (#11)
2013: 52.9 (#19)

2011 they weren't in the top 25, and so I can't find info on how much they actually brought in. That means that they made somewhere south of #25, which was Toby Keith, who brought in $27.3M. But that was the Caravan year, so it's not surprising.

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Old 10-28-2014, 05:51 PM   #13322
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It is interesting that even allowing for inflation and ticket prices, 2000 was still their biggest year.
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Old 10-28-2014, 05:53 PM   #13323
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Interesting when you consider how much tickets have increased in price since 00.

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Old 10-28-2014, 05:59 PM   #13324
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:04 PM   #13325
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Good shit bluewater thanks man
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:07 PM   #13326
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Alright, my kids are napping, and I'm not doing anything, so here's the by year breakdown as I can find it (numbers are millions of dollars, followed by their rank that year):

2000: 68.2 (#3)
2001: 65 (#5)
2002: 52.8 (#5)
2003: 47.1 (#11)
2004: 41.2 (#12)
2005: 45 (#8)
2006: 58 (#9)
2007: 41.1 (#12)
2008: 39.6 (#17)
2009: 52.3 (#18)
2010: 61.2 (#9)
2011: ?
2012: 41.4 (#11)
2013: 52.9 (#19)

2011 they weren't in the top 25, and so I can't find info on how much they actually brought in. That means that they made somewhere south of #25, which was Toby Keith, who brought in $27.3M. But that was the Caravan year, so it's not surprising.

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A few things, though:

First, they didn't tour 2011, it was just the 12ish (are we calling it 13? But I guess there were only twelve tickets? I don't know...) Caravan shows. So, that explains that. (Edit: My bad, totally missed the end of your paragraph about that. Saw you mention below #25 and apparently my eyes skipped to the next post, sorry.)

Second, before you think too much about the inflation thing and top grossing, you also need to realize the number of shows per year makes a difference. 2000 was a full summer and a winter tour. 2002 had a Spring, Summer, AND Winter tour. Meanwhile, 2003 was a short summer tour (just three months) only.

Third, in like 2002, 2003, 2004, I think they intentionally left money on that table. I think they could've kept playing stadiums and made more money than they did, but chose not to. Instead, they came back down to Ampitheatres they were too big for and drove down demand for their own shows by scheduling the major gigs in the middle of the week.

Finally, as a sort of tack on to that last point, some ugly things happened at DMB shows, there was the RFK show Dave stopped because girls were getting crushed, the riots in Hartford every year, the IEM debacle, hell even the Lillywhite Session leak. And, frankly, every show parking lot back then was a pretty big disaster area. I think its very possible they felt things were getting out of their control and that's why they shrunk it back down.
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:11 PM   #13327
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First, they didn't tour 2011, it was just the 12ish (are we calling it 13? But I guess there were only twelve tickets? I don't know...) Caravan shows. So, that explains that.

Finally, as a sort of tack on to that last point, some ugly things happened at DMB shows, there was the RFK show Dave stopped because girls were getting crushed, the riots in Hartford every year, the IEM debacle, hell even the Lillywhite Session leak. And, frankly, every show parking lot back then was a pretty big disaster area. I think its very possible they felt things were getting out of their control and that's why they shrunk it back down.
I addressed the Caravan thing in my last paragraph above. (edit: nevermind, you caught it)

As for your final point, I remember well how contentious it got between Dave and the fans for a while in '01, and you may be right about them scaling back as a response to that. I'm just putting the raw data out there for discussion.
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:13 PM   #13328
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A few things, though:

First, they didn't tour 2011, it was just the 12ish (are we calling it 13? But I guess there were only twelve tickets? I don't know...) Caravan shows. So, that explains that. (Edit: My bad, totally missed the end of your paragraph about that. Saw you mention below #25 and apparently my eyes skipped to the next post, sorry.)

Second, before you think too much about the inflation thing and top grossing, you also need to realize the number of shows per year makes a difference. 2000 was a full summer and a winter tour. 2002 had a Spring, Summer, AND Winter tour. Meanwhile, 2003 was a short summer tour (just three months) only.

Third, in like 2002, 2003, 2004, I think they intentionally left money on that table. I think they could've kept playing stadiums and made more money than they did, but chose not to. Instead, they came back down to Ampitheatres they were too big for and drove down demand for their own shows by scheduling the major gigs in the middle of the week.

Finally, as a sort of tack on to that last point, some ugly things happened at DMB shows, there was the RFK show Dave stopped because girls were getting crushed, the riots in Hartford every year, the IEM debacle, hell even the Lillywhite Session leak. And, frankly, every show parking lot back then was a pretty big disaster area. I think its very possible they felt things were getting out of their control and that's why they shrunk it back down.
Disagree. One of the biggest reasons DMB even still draws a crowd is because DMB is a still a "thing to do" on the weekend where we can all drink and make a day or weekend out of it. College and high school kids who aren't fans at all still view it as a party in the lots. That atmosphere drives sales through the roof. It's still the "thing to do."
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:15 PM   #13329
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I addressed the Caravan thing in my last paragraph above. (edit: nevermind, you caught it)

As for your final point, I remember well how contentious it got between Dave and the fans for a while in '01, and you may be right about them scaling back as a response to that. I'm just putting the raw data out there for discussion.
When I was at 7.30.01 at SPAC 5th row and Dave came out to announce the opening act, some dude had a sign that said "Death To Glen Ballard" and Dave had security remove the sign and the guy. I remember it like it was yesterday. Dave even looked at the guy and shook his head and was like "come on man, thats not right.." and was extremely, extremely pissed. Long shot I know, but if anyone was inside up close for 7.30.01 they will have seen this.
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:16 PM   #13330
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Disagree. One of the biggest reasons DMB even still draws a crowd is because DMB is a still a "thing to do" on the weekend where we can all drink and make a day or weekend out of it. College and high school kids who aren't fans at all still view it as a party in the lots. That atmosphere drives sales through the roof. It's still the "thing to do."
I'm not arguing with you (I haven't been to a show since '05), but is it still as big a "thing to do" as it was in the first half of the '00s? It doesn't seem like DMB is as big a part of the zeitgeist as they were then to me.
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:21 PM   #13331
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When I was at 7.30.01 at SPAC 5th row and Dave came out to announce the opening act, some dude had a sign that said "Death To Glen Ballard" and Dave had security remove the sign and the guy. I remember it like it was yesterday. Dave even looked at the guy and shook his head and was like "come on man, thats not right.." and was extremely, extremely pissed. Long shot I know, but if anyone was inside up close for 7.30.01 they will have seen this.
The sign wasn't up all night, but, as I was right near the guy, no one was removed from the show. In fact, while Dave was clearly miffed I don't even remember security taking the sign.

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Old 10-28-2014, 06:22 PM   #13332
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Disagree. One of the biggest reasons DMB even still draws a crowd is because DMB is a still a "thing to do" on the weekend where we can all drink and make a day or weekend out of it. College and high school kids who aren't fans at all still view it as a party in the lots. That atmosphere drives sales through the roof. It's still the "thing to do."
I haven't been to many shows in the past 5 years, but it doesn't seem as much like the "thing to do" these days based on what I've seen.
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:31 PM   #13333
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The sign wasn't up all night, but, as I was right near the guy, no one was removed from the show. In fact, while Dave was clearly miffed I don't even remember security taking the sign.

Great Seek Up though.
I recall the sign being removed, and him being escorted out of the first few rows..
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Old 10-28-2014, 06:33 PM   #13334
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I haven't been to many shows in the past 5 years, but it doesn't seem as much like the "thing to do" these days based on what I've seen.
You go to SPAC still.. you don't see the lots full of college kids and high schoolers with their shirts off partying in the lots? Making a weekend out of it and camping? Still goes on..
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Old 10-28-2014, 07:06 PM   #13336
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Wow thanks for pulling it all together. You can see how the economy really killed their sales in 2007 and 2008 - and 08 was the most anticipated tour for a while around these parts due to Tim joining.
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Wow thanks for pulling it all together. You can see how the economy really killed their sales in 2007 and 2008 - and 08 was the most anticipated tour for a while around these parts due to Tim joining.

You know, I noticed that dip in '08 and wondered about it, but I didn't even think about the recession being that year.
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Disagree. One of the biggest reasons DMB even still draws a crowd is because DMB is a still a "thing to do" on the weekend where we can all drink and make a day or weekend out of it. College and high school kids who aren't fans at all still view it as a party in the lots. That atmosphere drives sales through the roof. It's still the "thing to do."
Always good to start a post with" disagree. " and then promptly not actually address anything I had said.
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Always good to start a post with" disagree. " and then promptly not actually address anything I had said.
I was disagreeing with the fact the stuff you mentioned in the last 2 or 3 sentences. The parking lot, RFK, riot stuff. The lot atmosphere is what has kept this band in the top touring acts so long as it has, sir.
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Old 10-28-2014, 07:30 PM   #13340
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So, given that there wasn't a huge difference in the number of shows between '00, '01 and '02, are we blaming the downward trend in sales those three years on ED and the '01 tour?
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