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Old 05-01-2018, 08:09 AM   #101
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Listening to Part One now (GREAT listen so far). I respect what Lillywhite has helped to produce, but some of his comments are a bit off base. Saying that DMB was NOT a jam band? Come on.
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:32 AM   #102
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Listening to Part One now (GREAT listen so far). I respect what Lillywhite has helped to produce, but some of his comments are a bit off base. Saying that DMB was NOT a jam band? Come on.
Maybe they were in the first 2-3 years when they had to make things up and just played, but they haven't been that way since then. I actually agree with his description of what they are, and sometimes, it's hard to even say they are a soloing band when the "canned horns" have been in place for awhile now.....
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:37 AM   #103
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Maybe they were in the first 2-3 years when they had to make things up and just played, but they haven't been that way since then. I actually agree with his description of what they are, and sometimes, it's hard to even say they are a soloing band when the "canned horns" have been in place for awhile now.....
I dunno if I agree with that. I mean, think of how many times they've had off the cuff jams that have turned into fully fleshed out songs.
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:42 AM   #104
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I think he hit it right on the head. They aren’t so much a jam band as a band that has sort of sections they solo or jam over.
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:45 AM   #105
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It really comes down to your definition of jam band. I think DMB is certainly in the spirit of that genre in many ways and they do "jam" but they don't really do full band improvisation which is a hallmark of groups like the Dead, Phish, etc. They're like jam-lite.
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Old 05-01-2018, 09:19 AM   #106
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As good as that was (and it was), I am chomping at the bit for the LWS interview.

Also, I found it weird that in almost 3 hours, he doesnít mention AFTW once. This interview kept making me want DMB to work with Steve again, until I remembered that they did, and it was nothing too special.
the only mention of 3.0 is in Part 1 he brings up the "the trumpet player" (I think in comparison to Roi's approach) and my first thought was "how does he know about Rashawn?" then I too remembered AFTW.
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Old 05-01-2018, 09:29 AM   #107
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Also, I found it weird that in almost 3 hours, he doesnít mention AFTW once.
You'll have to stay tuned for the 20th anniversary of AFTW in 2032!
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:02 AM   #108
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Just now finishing up Part 2 and like the rest of everybody, I can't wait to hear the LWS interview.
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:33 AM   #109
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DMb was really more like the allman brothers in that they have long extended solos from each member that build to a climax. Bands like Dead, Phish, Moe etc aren’t like that as much, it’s more of a group effort in jamming where members take turns leading the jam but they clearly enter new territory.

The phish community defines it really well by identifying jams as (Type 1 or Typw 2) DMb is type 1 where the chord progression and the structure of the song remains the same while someone solos over it. Type 2 would be where the jam completely changes the feel, structure and everything to where it sounds like a totally different song altogether. DMb has never done that
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:03 PM   #110
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Listening for the first time to the second half and I just got to 33:11, "when those girls come in you just go, what the fuck?!"
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:12 PM   #111
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The idea that Lillywhite molded and shaped these songs is pretty amazing to me. I knew what he had done with Carter's playing in UTTAD but that he did it for all the parts of BTCS seamlessly shows how integral he was in this album. Little things like how Tim's guitar comes in on the second verse of DDTW (which I always listen for). The way the drums end at the last chorus of Stone. That PNP was put in front of Rapunzel and Roi's solo on it. Could have been a much different album with any other producer. He was just given free reign to build on the collaboration from the first two albums.

As good as LWS is in the raw form we have. Makes me wonder how much better it could have been if they could have finished it.

Also, the interesting comment about how Ballard made their songs too short.
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Old 05-01-2018, 01:15 PM   #112
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Man, this was epic. Part two especially.

He obviously is a huge fan of himself, but god damn he made this band look good.
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Old 05-01-2018, 01:46 PM   #113
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Finally got around to really listening to these.

Man, what a treat. About to start part 2.
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Old 05-01-2018, 02:52 PM   #114
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He obviously is a huge fan of himself, but god damn he made this band look good.
Hey, whatever gets the job done! Ballard couldn't do it, Batson couldn't do it, Cavallo barely did it. LW came back and made the band sound great again on AFTW, the songs just needed to be better quality....I think LW knew how to set the tone for each song and the other producers couldn't get there.....we shall see with this new album.....
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Old 05-01-2018, 06:50 PM   #115
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Hope the LWS discussion happens. These were a great listen.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:07 PM   #116
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these are all great posts in here. Love this thread. I listened to part 1 today and I’ll listen to part 2 during my morning commute tomorrow.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:26 PM   #117
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Hope the LWS discussion happens. These were a great listen.
Steve got so excited, I bet it does and I cannot fucking wait to hear it.
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:46 PM   #118
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The idea that Lillywhite molded and shaped these songs is pretty amazing to me.
And daveís worth north of 250 million and steve isnít able the pay he $250 a month storage fee. What a world.
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These were such a treat.
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Old 05-02-2018, 07:32 AM   #120
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The whole Boyd in the studio experience discussed on the interview explains so much.
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