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Old 06-05-2017, 02:45 PM   #141
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No no lol

Dad plays the songs in the car frequently and then when home is learning to play them. My 6 year old says my playing doesn't sound close to what she hears in the car. Lol. So I enlisted her help and she made me the sign. She was not at the show.
I was lucky to cross paths w Matthews and told him the story.
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:01 PM   #142
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No no lol

Dad plays the songs in the car frequently and then when home is learning to play them. My 6 year old says my playing doesn't sound close to what she hears in the car. Lol. So I enlisted her help and she made me the sign. She was not at the show.
I was lucky to cross paths w Matthews and told him the story.
Cool story, can you share more about how you ran into Dave? Just a random occurrence or through mutual friends?
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:06 PM   #143
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Cool story, can you share more about how you ran into Dave? Just a random occurrence or through mutual friends?
Actually, both. It was basically a friend of a friend thing but ended up getting lucky and crossing paths w him.
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:27 PM   #144
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Were you Center, left, or right? And did he see your sign?
Stage right, he saw the sign N1 and I had it front row center for a few shows in Europe and he acknowledged it (and he's even signed it). Once he said "that's blasphemy!" another he said "maybe next time".

I spoke to him about Last Stop once last year, my impression was he just doesn't enjoy playing it as much as other songs that get played more often. Just seemed indifferent about the song in general.

I've also thrown pigs on stage (yes I'm embarrassed just typing that) at several D&T shows this year including Mann N1 and he's picked it up a few times. Of course I had to miss N2 for a family event, ugh. Sounded awesome though!
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i really still can't get over the atmosphere of these d&t shows. there HAS to be something that could be done in the future (if dave and tim ever tour again in the US) to create a more intimate feel, request audiences sit down and watch a performance... make it less of a "two way experience" with the audience participating and more about a one way delivery of performance to be heard by an audience.

i know there are tons of people who think that's a boring way to experience a performance, but when it's just two guys with acoustic guitars, that's kind of what it needs to be.
I agreed 10000%, but that was before Mann. As I mentioned earlier, I couldn't believe how well it all worked despite the constant chatter white noise and people moving around. The music cut right through, and the audience sing-alongs almost enhanced the experience and made for a more communal vibe.

Were you at the Philly shows? Or any others? I can't remember.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:01 PM   #147
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I agreed 10000%, but that was before Mann. As I mentioned earlier, I couldn't believe how well it all worked despite the constant chatter white noise and people moving around. The music cut right through, and the audience sing-alongs almost enhanced the experience and made for a more communal vibe.

Were you at the Philly shows? Or any others? I can't remember.
i was at jacksonville... i'm still in disbelief over it. the audience experience completely stained it for me.
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i really still can't get over the atmosphere of these d&t shows. there HAS to be something that could be done in the future (if dave and tim ever tour again in the US) to create a more intimate feel, request audiences sit down and watch a performance... make it less of a "two way experience" with the audience participating and more about a one way delivery of performance to be heard by an audience.

i know there are tons of people who think that's a boring way to experience a performance, but when it's just two guys with acoustic guitars, that's kind of what it needs to be.


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Old 06-05-2017, 04:37 PM   #149
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dave matthews doesn't need money... he's toured his ass off for years and years and he's rich as fuck. he's at the point where he can do absolutely whatever he wants...

i simply can't believe that 1, he can't audibly hear people talking through the entire performance and 2, that he doesn't find that rude and obnoxious... to think that he's spending time away from his kids and family to have 5 thousand drunk assholes not pay attention to him.

obviously, he doesn't care enough about it to try to stop it right this moment... but maybe at the end of this tour he says "never doing it like that again..." and tells the powers that be that if he's touring acoustic again that it's going to be in concert halls with crowds that have been prepped beforehand about a level of expectation. maybe. hopefully.
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dave matthews doesn't need money... he's toured his ass off for years and years and he's rich as fuck. he's at the point where he can do absolutely whatever he wants...

i simply can't believe that 1, he can't audibly hear people talking through the entire performance and 2, that he doesn't find that rude and obnoxious... to think that he's spending time away from his kids and family to have 5 thousand drunk assholes not pay attention to him.

obviously, he doesn't care enough about it to try to stop it right this moment... but maybe at the end of this tour he says "never doing it like that again..." and tells the powers that be that if he's touring acoustic again that it's going to be in concert halls with crowds that have been prepped beforehand about a level of expectation. maybe. hopefully.
He knows what's going on, but he's learned he can't cater to everyone. And honestly, speaking again only about Philly, I would say at least 90% of the people there had a good time. So I don't think he's aiming to change much.
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Don't see D/T playing these venues all the time going forward. The band took the year off so this is a different circumstance.
I fully expect them to go back to playing random 2 night stands in 3K sized theaters like Oakland in 15 and NOLA in 14.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:51 PM   #152
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He knows what's going on, but he's learned he can't cater to everyone. And honestly, speaking again only about Philly, I would say at least 90% of the people there had a good time. So I don't think he's aiming to change much.
yeah, and in fairness, maybe i have unreasonable expectations... and maybe the show i was at was just the WORST damn crowd in all of history...

but, this isn't really about catering to everyone... i'm saying that dave should cater to himself. surely he would prefer an audience that was attentive and appreciative of nuance, and his quiet songs as much as his raucous songs. i mean, ryan adams can get that... and i know the fans aren't the same, but... come on. there could be an expectation set beforehand about proper decorum and by selecting venues that lend themselves to a performance setting and not a festival setting.
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Don't see D/T playing these venues all the time going forward. The band took the year off so this is a different circumstance.
I fully expect them to go back to playing random 2 night stands in 3K sized theaters like Oakland in 15 and NOLA in 14.
you're definitely right about that... i guess i'm just longing for the '03 tour experience again. when full scale d&t tours happen (because they're so special and rare) there should be no mistaking the environment for that of what is acceptable for a full band show
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:06 PM   #154
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Seeing Dave and Tim in Vegas in 2009 really turned my wife off of seeing them again at all. We expected everyone to sit down and be respectful due to the nature of the show, but Everyone was drunk as fuck, wooing in our fucking ears and talking the whole night. A fight broke out, and the tape is utterly unlistenable due to chatter.
With that being said, she thought the Philly show atmosphere was amazing, we were in the balcony so everyone around us was pretty chill, no one was super annoying singing in our ears, and the crowd was loving every second of it. Night two up on the right side of the lawn was the same thing, it was a DMB vibe at a Dave and Tim show but it worked, if they hadn't gone from Watchtower to Y&M and went right into Stay and Nancies the place would have exploded...

We are so lucky both shows got taped, and the tape from night two is absolutely stellar... Thanks to Jeff Travitz for such an amazing capture of that night.
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Seeing Dave and Tim in Vegas in 2009 really turned my wife off of seeing them again at all. We expected everyone to sit down and be respectful due to the nature of the show, but Everyone was drunk as fuck, wooing in our fucking ears and talking the whole night. A fight broke out, and the tape is utterly unlistenable due to chatter.
With that being said, she thought the Philly show atmosphere was amazing, we were in the balcony so everyone around us was pretty chill, no one was super annoying singing in our ears, and the crowd was loving every second of it. Night two up on the right side of the lawn was the same thing, it was a DMB vibe at a Dave and Tim show but it worked, if they hadn't gone from Watchtower to Y&M and went right into Stay and Nancies the place would have exploded...

We are so lucky both shows got taped, and the tape from night two is absolutely stellar... Thanks to Jeff Travitz for such an amazing capture of that night.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:51 PM   #156
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Seeing Dave and Tim in Vegas in 2009 really turned my wife off of seeing them again at all. We expected everyone to sit down and be respectful due to the nature of the show, but Everyone was drunk as fuck, wooing in our fucking ears and talking the whole night. A fight broke out, and the tape is utterly unlistenable due to chatter.
With that being said, she thought the Philly show atmosphere was amazing, we were in the balcony so everyone around us was pretty chill, no one was super annoying singing in our ears, and the crowd was loving every second of it. Night two up on the right side of the lawn was the same thing, it was a DMB vibe at a Dave and Tim show but it worked, if they hadn't gone from Watchtower to Y&M and went right into Stay and Nancies the place would have exploded...

We are so lucky both shows got taped, and the tape from night two is absolutely stellar... Thanks to Jeff Travitz for such an amazing capture of that night.
Basically, why I didn't plan for any shows this time around and I can almost walk to the Mann.

Looks like a trip to Holmdel may be in the cards.
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If you guys don't like the noise why don't you just sack up and make a sign that says "Fellow fans around me: Please don't be obnoxious tonight."

I mean, just say it. Set a tone. Who gives a shit of some people don't like it?
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If you guys don't like the noise why don't you just sack up and make a sign that says "Fellow fans around me: Please don't be obnoxious tonight."

I mean, just say it. Set a tone. Who gives a shit of some people don't like it?
That's some passive aggressive bullshit. And I think obnoxious fans are the worst.
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If you guys don't like the noise why don't you just sack up and make a sign that says "Fellow fans around me: Please don't be obnoxious tonight."

I mean, just say it. Set a tone. Who gives a shit of some people don't like it?
That will set no tone and people will purposely be louder - and honestly, they should. I'd love to see someone try it though
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How about a sign saying, "I'm deaf, be as loud as you want!'?

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