Grateful Dead

[Mitch]

I can't figure out what FOH means, but I think I get your gist

[Mersh]

Originally Posted by Mitch I can't figure out what FOH means, but I think I get your gist

fuck outta here

[Mitch]

ahhh, duh

[drummerkrf]

Color me 'irreverent' to May 77, with the box release and all....

But, the May '72 stuff from Europe needs mention. Finishing up this 5/18 show. Hot damn.

I don't think any run beats 72 for me. Pigpen is the X-factor.


Also. In other band news. Did we all catch those Charlie Miller soundboard "releases" of previously uncirculated 1989 shows a couple days ago? They sound phenomenal.


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[Mitch]

Ooh, Kyle, my 3 favorite eras of GD all mentioned in one post!

First off, how dare you! "Irreverent"??! Where did I go wrong with you? You will bow down before 77! I LOVE 77 thru mid-78. As I knew it would, the release of the new box triggered me into binging on that era now.

But yeah, as you know, I also loves me 72-73. So I can't argue with your praise there.

It's hard for me to pick a favorite between those 2 eras. They're both great, bring different things to the table and complement each other well. I mean, 72-73 has Dark Stars and China>Riders (and Pig earlier on) which 77-78 doesn't. And 77-78 has Scarlet>Fires and Help>Slip>Franks, bigger/better Half-Steps and Sugarees, etc. etc. Both great eras. The 2 best, IMO.

And thanks for pointing out those new CM's from 89. As you know, that was my heyday of "touring." And I think 89-90 was the last great era after 79. So I'd pick that as 3rd to complement the other 2.

[torres]

The band just flat out stop playing China / Rider in 77/78? While I don't have the most extensive collection there's not a single 77/78 show I own with those two.

[Mitch]

Correct. With the single exception of 12/29/77 (DiP10), they did not play it at all from 75-78.

[dmb448]

That Boston show is amazing!

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by dmb448 That Boston show is amazing!

yeah it is. that month- and year- are full of great ones.

[greykitkat36]

Don't bother with a China car> rider post 74, just not good.


-71/-74 is he best dead and wveryone saying otherwise hasn't listened.

[drummerkrf]

Originally Posted by greykitkat36 -71/-74 is he best dead and wveryone saying otherwise hasn't listened.

Some would say you are drunk...



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[Mitch]

and that's coming from the all-knowledgable greykitkat

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by greykitkat36 -71/-74 is he best dead and wveryone saying otherwise hasn't listened.

But anyway, saying something like this is silly even though it's not necessarily "wrong." One of the wonderful things about the GD is that all the eras bring something different to the table. I know people who only like the early "primal" years, or whose favorite year is 85 or whatever. And that's cool, it's all good. To make a condescending comment like above shows that you don't really get the essence of what the GD is all about.

[Crush87]

Originally Posted by greykitkat36 Don't bother with a China car> rider post 74, just not good. -71/-74 is he best dead and wveryone saying otherwise hasn't listened.

Don't know what I was thinking making 1970 one of my favorite years. So close, yet so far off I guess.

[greykitkat36]

Originally Posted by Mitch But anyway, saying something like this is silly even though it's not necessarily "wrong." One of the wonderful things about the GD is that all the eras bring something different to the table. I know people who only like the early "primal" years, or whose favorite year is 85 or whatever. And that's cool, it's all good. To make a condescending comment like above shows that you don't really get the essence of what the GD is all about.

I wasn't being 100% serious with that comment. I know People like different eras and there's good aspects of each. I do think that most hardcore fans would agree that 72-74 or 77 are the "best" years. That doesn't mean the others aren't good. (Though I don't get the love for 85 at all, really tough for me to even listen that year at al.)

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by greykitkat36 I do think that most hardcore fans would agree that 72-74 or 77 are the "best" years.

well yeah, I mean I literally said those were my favorites 2 days before you wrote this.

Originally Posted by greykitkat36 Though I don't get the love for 85 at all, really tough for me to even listen that year at al.)

I agree for the most part about '85. But generally those who love it are heads who saw shows that year. So it's a perspective you don't have. That's why I have a big fondness for 89-90, it was the best run of the time I was seeing a lot of shows. (Although my favorite memory of seeing the GD was a weekend in Fall '88).

Anyway, sorry if my last post came off too harsh.

[Mitch]

I've been listening through May 77, finished off 5/19 last night. Love that Playin>UJB end jam> UJB>Drums>Wheel>China Doll>Playin. Love how the Playin jam stretches out and works its way into the UJB jam. They didn't get as far out in 77 as they did years earlier, but they still had plenty of those moments. Wore out my cassette of that set back in the 80's.

And like I said last week, my favorite Sugaree. And everything else played with that '77 precision and fire. Another stellar show.

On to 5/21 next. IIRC, Frank, this is one of your faves of the year? It's a show I have never really connected to in the way I have most others from the month, but maybe this will be the time, haha.

[greykitkat36]

Originally Posted by Mitch well yeah, I mean I literally said those were my favorites 2 days before you wrote this. I agree for the most part about '85. But generally those who love it are heads who saw shows that year. So it's a perspective you don't have. That's why I have a big fondness for 89-90, it was the best run of the time I was seeing a lot of shows. (Although my favorite memory of seeing the GD was a weekend in Fall '88). Anyway, sorry if my last post came off too harsh.

No worries man, my post also came off arrogant for no reason. I think my biggest quip is that '77 really gets talked up as "amazing year" "one of the best" and I just feel there are other years (perhaps many) that are equally as good or even better--but I realize that all comes down to personal taste. I never cared much for the two drummer dynamic. So that's why I enjoy the earlier 70s more so.

[Mitch]

I hear ya on the 2 drummers. I prefer the single drummer, too. I think '77 is the year the 2 worked best though. They were super tight. I think it became more of a detriment in the 80's when they could sound like a pair of sneakers in a washer/dryer.

On another note, Dead and Co. tour kicks off this weekend

[Crush87]

Originally Posted by Mitch On to 5/21 next. IIRC, Frank, this is one of your faves of the year? It's a show I have never really connected to in the way I have most others from the month, but maybe this will be the time, haha.

Hmm, I don't remember having said that. In fact, it's been a while, but my memory of this DP is that it doesn't have quite the fire as some other May '77. My sleeper show from the month, and easily top five from May is 5/4/77. I think I remember saying that. The Playin >Comes A Time > Playin is lose-your-breath good. Hoping it's in the batch returned to the vault.