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Old 09-16-2020, 07:13 PM   #5241
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ďWideĒ distribution was always going to come later than the initial doses to protect healthcare providers, old people, fat people, and people with severe comorbidities. The first several million doses are going to go to the high risk, which only makes sense.
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With "mitigation" strategies in place (all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing) 2 million people die in the next 3 months.

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If we ever relax the suppression levels back to "mitigation" policies, we go right back to 2 million people dead within three months.

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Old 09-16-2020, 07:38 PM   #5242
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ďWideĒ distribution was always going to come later than the initial doses to protect healthcare providers, old people, fat people, and people with severe comorbidities. The first several million doses are going to go to the high risk, which only makes sense.
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:38 PM   #5243
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Depends on how efficient they are with distibution. I could see the general public getting vaccinated late Q1. As a start.
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:58 PM   #5244
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Depends on how efficient they are with distibution. I could see the general public getting vaccinated late Q1. As a start.
I believe the tricky part is coordinating the second dose of the vaccine. It is something like a month later, and has to be made by the same manufacturer. Also some of them have to be kept at insanely cold temperatures.

I agree with Josh, though. They always said that this would be the hasoc timeframe.
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:08 PM   #5245
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“Wide” distribution was always going to come later than the initial doses to protect healthcare providers, old people, fat people, and people with severe comorbidities. The first several million doses are going to go to the high risk, which only makes sense.
Trump actually said in a press conference one of the first populations besides health care and the most vulnerable would be poor African American cities/population, at no cost.
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:22 PM   #5246
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Trump actually said in a press conference one of the first populations besides health care and the most vulnerable would be poor African American cities/population, at no cost.
Well, it’s no cost for every american and I’ve read about five different articles and it’s a well known fact that this disease affects poor (due to more cramped living conditions) and African Americans (and Hispanics) at a far greater (death) rate. So they should have access to it early, no?
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:46 PM   #5247
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Well, itís no cost for every american and Iíve read about five different articles and itís a well known fact that this disease affects poor (due to more cramped living conditions) and African Americans (and Hispanics) at a far greater (death) rate. So they should have access to it early, no?
As long as itís safe, I donít disagree. However, with it being rushed hope their not going to be used like Russia tested theirs on their military.
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:58 PM   #5248
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Well, itís no cost for every american and Iíve read about five different articles and itís a well known fact that this disease affects poor (due to more cramped living conditions) and African Americans (and Hispanics) at a far greater (death) rate. So they should have access to it early, no?
Many diseases affect the poor with more regularity. Poverty has a direct correlation with bad outcomes.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:11 PM   #5249
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This is guy is certifiably insane:
"The vaccine is going to have tremendous power. It's going to be extremely strong. It's going to be extremely successful. We're not going to have a problem," Trump said.

"And the mask may help. And I hope it helps. I think it probably does. But again, the mask is a mixed bag. There are some people, professionals ... that don't like the masks because of the touchiness."

Can't someone just cough on him and end it now?
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:13 PM   #5250
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Many diseases affect the poor with more regularity. Poverty has a direct correlation with bad outcomes.
This is why MFA could fix so many issues, not just financially.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:19 PM   #5251
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This is guy is certifiably insane:
"The vaccine is going to have tremendous power. It's going to be extremely strong. It's going to be extremely successful. We're not going to have a problem," Trump said.

"And the mask may help. And I hope it helps. I think it probably does. But again, the mask is a mixed bag. There are some people, professionals ... that don't like the masks because of the touchiness."

Can't someone just cough on him and end it now?
He's not wrong here. He's obviously referring to cloth face coverings, and how wearing a mask usually encourages people to touch their face more.

The other stuff is just his usual overselling nonsense.
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He's not wrong here. He's obviously referring to cloth face coverings, and how wearing a mask usually encourages people to touch their face more.

The other stuff is just his usual overselling nonsense.
Masks are not a mixed bag. Worn correctly, they work. Seriously taking up for him?
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It isn’t a hard concept. Wear a mask, only go out if it’s essential and don’t be talking so much you gotta fig-it with your mask. If you have to talk a lot for your job; A waiter, add a face shield and carry hand sanitizer.
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Washing your hands frequently isn't going to prevent you from getting this virus.

Best not be wearing a face shield without added face protection.

Not every mask is created equal. Your protection varies depending on the type. So, "works" is relative.

I'm not "taking up for" anybody.

Have people forgot what mitigation means?
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:43 PM   #5255
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Masks are not a mixed bag. Worn correctly, they work. Seriously taking up for him?
If they work why do healthcare workers dealing with Covid wear a full hazmat suit and all this PPE? Clearly all they need is this little cloth on their mouth and they're safe, right? Droplets can still get through or around most of these masks, and that's if you are wearing a decent one and wearing it properly.

I for one don't really think a mask actually helps that much. and I think it's defintiley more of a psychological thing to make people feel safe, and it's also a form of control.....staying away from people is the only true solution, and you don't need a mask if you do that.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:55 AM   #5256
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If they work why do healthcare workers dealing with Covid wear a full hazmat suit and all this PPE? Clearly all they need is this little cloth on their mouth and they're safe, right? Droplets can still get through or around most of these masks, and that's if you are wearing a decent one and wearing it properly.

I for one don't really think a mask actually helps that much. and I think it's defintiley more of a psychological thing to make people feel safe, and it's also a form of control.....staying away from people is the only true solution, and you don't need a mask if you do that.
Do you find yourself swabbing the nostrils of people you know are infected with COVID all day? The virus can enter through your eyes as well as mouth and nose. That is why they wear full face shields in a lot of instances. Especially because the patients they are treating often do not have masks on. However, I have had a lot of experience visiting Dr’s this summer (not having covid symptoms) and almost with out exception, they only wear masks.

This is barely worth responding to because it is so idiotic, but look at the numbers. You’re bitching about being asked to wear a mask by saying, “why aren’t they making me wear a hazmat suit too if medical professionals do? Fucking libs.” A very small portion of the general public has this disease. Masks are cheap and easy to get. They are the most effective way to stop the virus from spreading p>p. It is the smallest of an inconvenience and they are proven to work. Why wouldn’t you wear one?

What the fuck do you mean form of control? You think there is some mask fetishist at a high level of the cdc furiously jerking off as he looks out his window and sees all the masked faces. They locked you in your house for a month and forced businesses to close. There’s your form of control. A mask? Wearing a mask is a courteous thing to do for your fellow man. ANY person with half a brain understands this and wears the fucking mask.

NO ONE is asking you to wear a mask if you aren’t around people.
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Old 09-17-2020, 07:55 AM   #5257
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If they work why do healthcare workers dealing with Covid wear a full hazmat suit and all this PPE? Clearly all they need is this little cloth on their mouth and they're safe, right? Droplets can still get through or around most of these masks, and that's if you are wearing a decent one and wearing it properly.

I for one don't really think a mask actually helps that much. and I think it's defintiley more of a psychological thing to make people feel safe, and it's also a form of control.....staying away from people is the only true solution, and you don't need a mask if you do that.
How so?
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:33 AM   #5258
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Do you find yourself swabbing the nostrils of people you know are infected with COVID all day? The virus can enter through your eyes as well as mouth and nose. That is why they wear full face shields in a lot of instances. Especially because the patients they are treating often do not have masks on. However, I have had a lot of experience visiting Dr’s this summer (not having covid symptoms) and almost with out exception, they only wear masks.

This is barely worth responding to because it is so idiotic, but look at the numbers. You’re bitching about being asked to wear a mask by saying, “why aren’t they making me wear a hazmat suit too if medical professionals do? Fucking libs.” A very small portion of the general public has this disease. Masks are cheap and easy to get. They are the most effective way to stop the virus from spreading p>p. It is the smallest of an inconvenience and they are proven to work. Why wouldn’t you wear one?

What the fuck do you mean form of control? You think there is some mask fetishist at a high level of the cdc furiously jerking off as he looks out his window and sees all the masked faces. They locked you in your house for a month and forced businesses to close. There’s your form of control. A mask? Wearing a mask is a courteous thing to do for your fellow man. ANY person with half a brain understands this and wears the fucking mask.

NO ONE is asking you to wear a mask if you aren’t around people.
I think the truth is masks help but as some others have insinuated they’re probably more of a psychological boost than anything. But there’s no question they do have some preventative effect; just how preventative is a topic for another debate.

With that said, if wearing a tiny cloth over my face when I’m in line buying tacos has a .0000001% effect on keeping people safer, I’m okay with it. When I visited Japan last year I was actually very appreciative of how proactive people were wearing masks when they were sick or showing any symptoms of being sick.

Do I think it should be part of everyday life - post COVID-19 - if we’re not showing symptoms of anything? No way. But if we develop a new habit of masking when we’re showing symptoms of other illnesses in the future, that’s not a bad thing at all. Fewer colds, less flu spread - that’d be nice long term.
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Without the sort of shutdown that we're seeing now, 80% of people would be infected and 4 million people would die within three months.

With "mitigation" strategies in place (all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing) 2 million people die in the next 3 months.

BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT

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I think the truth is masks help but as some others have insinuated theyíre probably more of a psychological boost than anything. But thereís no question they do have some preventative effect; just how preventative is a topic for another debate.

With that said, if wearing a tiny cloth over my face when Iím in line buying tacos has a .0000001% effect on keeping people safer, Iím okay with it. When I visited Japan last year I was actually very appreciative of how proactive people were wearing masks when they were sick or showing any symptoms of being sick.

Do I think it should be part of everyday life from now on? No way. But if we develop a new habit of masking when weíre showing symptoms of other illnesses in the future, thatís not a bad thing at all.
This is where I am at as well. I don't really know if my mask is doing a thing (although there are some peer reviewed studies that prove it can) but if it keeps the older and immune compromised safer in some way, i'll do it too.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:07 AM   #5260
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Agreed. I’ve also noticed masks trick you into thinking there are more babes out there than there really are. Mask placebos ftw
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Without the sort of shutdown that we're seeing now, 80% of people would be infected and 4 million people would die within three months.

With "mitigation" strategies in place (all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing) 2 million people die in the next 3 months.

BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT

If we ever relax the suppression levels back to "mitigation" policies, we go right back to 2 million people dead within three months.

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