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Old 06-07-2021, 10:29 AM   #61
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For me, DMB 1.0 is the core 5. That changed with Butch in 2000 when he became, minus a few summer shows and the fall tour, a full-time touring member. Then with Butch it became 2.0. Then in 2006 when Rashawn became full-time then it was 3.0 and then in 2008 it became 4.0 (w/ tim and with/without Roi). Of course you could look at this in so many different ways, including Peter as a 1.0, or keep changing with every new touring member, maybe the subtraction of Boyd means a new DMB for people so that could be a factor as well for many.
How is adding Rashawn a new v X.0 but swapping out Boyd and adding Buddy isn't? :-)

Adding Rashawn is a v2.5 for me. We have decimals, why not use them. His sound gradually changed the sound of the band, not immediately, which is a X.0 divider for me.
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Old 06-07-2021, 04:25 PM   #62
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How is adding Rashawn a new v X.0 but swapping out Boyd and adding Buddy isn't? :-)

Adding Rashawn is a v2.5 for me. We have decimals, why not use them. His sound gradually changed the sound of the band, not immediately, which is a X.0 divider for me.
Itís all subjective but I agree with you. For me 3.0 doesnít start until Tim comes back and the band takes a more ďelectricĒ sound. Rashawn didnít do as much in those first 2 years 06-08 that warranted a full ďchangeĒ. It was different but as you said more of a 2.5 not a full sound difference.
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Old 06-07-2021, 05:32 PM   #63
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For me, each era begins with a new (eventually) permanent touring member.
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:06 PM   #65
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Nah, 2004. Or you can make an argument for 2008 even.
Not IMO, maybe a few shows but def not the tour
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:31 PM   #66
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Old 06-08-2021, 11:33 PM   #67
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Not IMO, maybe a few shows but def not the tour
Depends on what you consider “best touring year”. In terms of variation and song selection actually ‘00 and ‘04 were a lot of similar sets. But in terms of performance and consistency, great.

You could make an argument for ‘08, ‘10, ‘11 and even ‘13 as great touring years, in terms of performance, bustouts, variation etc. if you want to say that the peak was ‘04 and it’s dropped off since then I get that, but for where the band was in those 3.0 years sound wise, those were still great years. It’s not Dave at his best vocally or Boyd at his best, but still pretty damn good.
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Old 06-22-2021, 06:43 PM   #68
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I thought the mix is pretty good, performance solid
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Old 06-22-2021, 08:14 PM   #69
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Old 06-22-2021, 08:35 PM   #70
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I really hope we get a full flown biography one day where we learn the inner dynamic of the band from 99-01, it must have been tense in Summer '01 after everything that went down and with the band feeling like Dave went to make a solo album without them, and then they were added on with "charts" pre-written parts. I have no idea if that's how they actually felt or not, but it's without a doubt one of the most interesting periods of the band that we really don't have much clarity on.
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Old 06-23-2021, 06:56 AM   #71
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Old 06-23-2021, 01:05 PM   #72
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I'm gonna have to listen to the AUD of this show first, before I make a decision. 2001 is a very polarizing year. The band was still playing at their peak, performance-wise, but Everyday and LLs.
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Old 06-23-2021, 05:23 PM   #73
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Say goodbye sounds great
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Indeed, this version sounds awesome . A top 3 all-time DMB song for me. It's a song that showcases the strengths of each member of the band.
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Old 06-23-2021, 08:09 PM   #75
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Always enjoy Say Goodbye at a show, especially when Dave nails that falsetto
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Old 06-23-2021, 11:47 PM   #76
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Indeed, this version sounds awesome . A top 3 all-time DMB song for me. It's a song that showcases the strengths of each member of the band.
Definitley great live, unfortunately only heard it twice, they really don’t play it nearly as much as they should. It’s been played only 55 times in the past 13 years. (Or like 4-5 times per year). Meanwhile they have songs that get played 30+ times PER tour.

It’s be nice if they switched stuff like Jimi, Grey Street, Satellite etc. with DIDO, Say Goodbye and Rhyme for instance. Play Grey Street 5 times this summer and play Those other ones like 20. Just that small change alone would make things much more interesting.
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Old 06-24-2021, 10:03 AM   #77
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Definitley great live, unfortunately only heard it twice, they really donít play it nearly as much as they should. Itís been played only 55 times in the past 13 years. (Or like 4-5 times per year). Meanwhile they have songs that get played 30+ times PER tour.

Itís be nice if they switched stuff like Jimi, Grey Street, Satellite etc. with DIDO, Say Goodbye and Rhyme for instance. Play Grey Street 5 times this summer and play Those other ones like 20. Just that small change alone would make things much more interesting.
Wow thats crazy how little Say Goodbye has been played. I just checked my stats and ive seen it 9 times since 2010, so basically 20% of the time they play it i am seeing it. Such a classic DMB song that i honestly had no idea was severely underplayed.
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Old 06-24-2021, 10:29 AM   #78
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I've seen Say Goodbye 6 times from 2009-2019. Not bad.
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Old 06-24-2021, 08:44 PM   #79
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Carter and Coffin got too comfortable on Say Goodbye, say after 2011. Dave too. I think the last great one was Gorge 2011, which was a sick version. Every version I've heard after 2011 has come up short for me. I'd be interested to see if anyone could find any good ones after that time.
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I really hope we get a full flown biography one day where we learn the inner dynamic of the band from 99-01, it must have been tense in Summer '01 after everything that went down and with the band feeling like Dave went to make a solo album without them, and then they were added on with "charts" pre-written parts. I have no idea if that's how they actually felt or not, but it's without a doubt one of the most interesting periods of the band that we really don't have much clarity on.
boyd could cash in right now. he's basically retired.
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