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Old 12-13-2010, 03:48 PM   #41
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I feel sorry for smokers. They get shit in every direction

I don't think there is anything morally wrong with them playing this show, but are they really that desperate for $$$ that they need to drop everything they're doing around the holidays and fly to Dallas to play their last show of the year for a tobacco company?
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:52 PM   #42
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so... do we even know for sure that they are playing a Phillip Morris corporate event?
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:07 PM   #43
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so... do we even know for sure that they are playing a Phillip Morris corporate event?
Yes, the definitely are. I meant to make a thread about it when the board came back, but forgot to.

it is a christmas party for 800 people at cowboy stadium. Probably not on the field but in the concourse.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:07 PM   #44
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:12 PM   #45
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This band continues to dig themselves into a hole of irrelevance.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:13 PM   #46
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Dave wanted the year off so he could take up smoking again without people getting pissed at him for destroying his voice.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:16 PM   #47
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This band continues to dig themselves into a hole of irrelevance.
what does becoming irrelevant have to do with playing a corporate gig?
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:21 PM   #48
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This band continues to dig themselves into a hole of irrelevance.
yup. I don't care what spence's tobacco addled brain says, this is really an unbelievably stupid thing for them to do and I, for one, will never take another thing dave says, on any level, with any seriousness.

Between this and the microsoft debacle he's proven himself to be all about the $$. Ready and willing to sell out anything he's ever preached about for a buck. It's pretty sad because I've always held him up as being different, but, the last couple of years he's said one thing in public and then behind the curtain taken even check like a good little corporate stooge. "If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain" I guess he's lived up to that. It's too bad, because he had a good point when he wrote, "Well in the end it all piles up so tall to one big nothing, one big nothing at all." Guess he's trying to find out when the pile topples over.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:21 PM   #49
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what does becoming irrelevant have to do with playing a corporate gig?
play every last card before they take the table away...
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:24 PM   #50
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Where was it announced or revealed that they're playing this show? I can't even find it anywhere.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:25 PM   #51
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has dave ever really preached about not doing corporate gigs and being against this type of thing?

i just don't see the hypocrisy. not saying it isn't there, i'm just not familiar enough with things dave has said in the past to get all up in arms about this.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:28 PM   #52
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Well, Stefan seems to be preaching against corporate gigs and big tobacco (if that's what they're playing for). So, it certainly makes HIM a hypocrite if he plays this against his morals.
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Dave wanted the year off so he could take up smoking again without people getting pissed at him for destroying his voice.
He's getting axel foley's truck full of cigs for payment. Going to be a great christmas in the matthews family.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:30 PM   #54
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Well, Stefan seems to be preaching against corporate gigs and big tobacco (if that's what they're playing for). So, it certainly makes HIM a hypocrite if he plays this against his morals.
I find that pretty funny, if that's the reason he made he put that on Twitter.

Come on, man, if you don't want to do the gig don't make a passive/aggresive tweet about it. Grow some balls and say something.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:35 PM   #55
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Stefan's latest tweet is below:

JimCarrey #ILoveYouPhillipMorris nominated for a VH1 Critics' Choice Award for Best Comedy! Check it out! ([Only registered users can see links.] ) ?;^)

Any chance they are playing this in relation to promoting this movie, which is unrelated to cigarettes? It is a little peculiar that Phillip Morris would have a holiday party in Dallas, when their corporate office is in Virginia.
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i smoke because i enjoy it, despite the risks. that doesn't make me a moron. that's all i'm saying.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:44 PM   #57
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I think Dave has been somewhat of a conservationist and has supported things like Farm Air and saving the family farm as well as pushing an agrarian and natural way of growing one's own food. He has stood for non-corporate thinking, and has supported "Vote for Change" and other causes that have had overtones of middle-class, eco-friendly agendas. One of the major platforms that many of the causes that he has championed is that of anti-big business, with power being given to the people to think globally and act locally. Dave's recent support and involvement of large corporations is somewhat disturbing to me, and shows a lack of commitment to his own ideals, which he has made known many times through interviews, charity involvement and even song lyrics (as has been already pointed out).

Dave and the band can do what they want....they're stars and are more socially relevant than I should even hope to be. I find it disturbing, however, that Dave Matthews (a man that I have a great amount of respect for as a musician and as a very outspoken and noticeable member of society) can stand for some causes while seemingly participate in the support and glorification of corporations that epistemologically seem to conflict with the causes that he champions.
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And that post remains true, regardless if this Philip Morris deal is really about the cigarette company or just some movie
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I agree with all that to a degree, but to act like this just started I think isn't quite there. I mean, once you're number one on the Billboard charts, going on TRL, playing Giants Stadium, having band members star in Twix commercials, etc. etc. etc. you're already pretty much playing ball with corporate America. I just think we noticed less cause people overall seemed to like the music more.

I think the Phillip Morris thing is something that seems a bit different, but I don't really feel like they went from 0 to 60 in the span of a few years. They've never been Fugazi or even Pearl Jam; I feel like there were no illusions that they were interested in being a mainstream band. So although I like that he supports stuff like Farm Aid and other things that keep a check on overt corporatization, there's always been some disingenuousness there.
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I agree with all that to a degree, but to act like this just started I think isn't quite there. I mean, once you're number one on the Billboard charts, going on TRL, playing Giants Stadium, having band members star in Twix commercials, etc. etc. etc. you're already pretty much playing ball with corporate America. I just think we noticed less cause people overall seemed to like the music more.

I think the Phillip Morris thing is something that seems a bit different, but I don't really feel like they went from 0 to 60 in the span of a few years. They've never been Fugazi or even Pearl Jam; I feel like there were no illusions that they were interested in being a mainstream band. So although I like that he supports stuff like Farm Aid and other things that keep a check on overt corporatization, there's always been some disingenuousness there.
spot on. they've been sell outs for over ten years, this is nothing new.

and i really hope this is just a party for a movie so all the overreactions meant nothing.
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