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Old 11-16-2020, 07:28 AM   #6381
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Yeah this is promising and great to hear especially the part about it being able to be stored in regular freezers
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Old 11-16-2020, 07:45 AM   #6382
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and fully remote for a few days because of cases and quarantines.

We've yet to have a transmission traced backed to school in this area. It's all things people are doing outside of school. The Halloween parties the kids had 2 weeks ago came back at us.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:04 AM   #6383
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...especially the part about it being able to be stored in regular freezers
Thatís what caught my attention the most as well. This may have rendered the Pfizer vaccine obsolete, though Iím sure itíll still be manufactured and distributed.

Thatís two soon-to-be-approved vaccines in a week. Talk about something to celebrate in time for the holidays.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:15 AM   #6384
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Now, if Johnson and Johnson can hit a home run. I think theirs is one shot and can be stored at regular temperatures.

Pfizer’s won’t be obsolete. One because we bought a billion dollars worth, and two because we need to vaccinate billions of people. But, this is all tremendous news. Having two effective vaccines moves the entire timetable up.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:36 AM   #6385
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Oh for sure, I was more thinking long term if people needed to vaccinate over several years (or if there ends up being a need for additional long term vaccinations in some populations) the overhead is much lower for Moderna.

For example, I work quite a bit in medication management, and everywhere I’ve worked the health system purchases the cheapest possible version of any drug and administers that to patients. Tylenol, for example, is a brand of acetaminophen, but Tylenol itself is rarely used, instead generic versions of Tylenol are used because they’re much cheaper to purchase and have the same therapeutic effect. Health systems pay such close attention to this that solid form compound drugs, like Caduet, which is a single tablet that’s really a mixture of two drugs (amlodipine and atorvastatin), is typically administered as two tablets (amlodipine and atorvastatin) instead of the one tablet (Caduet). Why? Amlodipine and atorvastatin, purchased separately, are often way cheaper than the compound of the two that is Caduet.

That’s a long way of saying once the initial doses, which are being paid for by the feds, are administered (and that contract with Pfizer is satisfied), producers like Moderna (or anything even cheaper than Moderna) will likely become the manufacturer of choice for health systems paying for and stocking the vaccine moving forward. I bet both vaccines and all others get approval to be on formulary (meaning approved for use) at hospitals, but long-term the cheapest and easiest to manage is what’ll stay.

Also, as a side note, never waste money on brand name drugs. Always buy generics. That’s what health systems administer to patients and it’s 100% true that there’s zero difference, in terms of efficacy, between brand name and generic drugs. Whether it’s your allergy medication or something to control a serious condition, always, always purchase the generic and cheaper option.
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:12 AM   #6386
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Good new on the vaccine front. Have I missed how long they expect the vaccines to last (6 months, 1 year)? Obviously we may just be on wait and see there.
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:27 AM   #6387
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What a contrast.

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Old 11-16-2020, 09:30 AM   #6388
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Now, if Johnson and Johnson can hit a home run. I think theirs is one shot and can be stored at regular temperatures.

Pfizerís wonít be obsolete. One because we bought a billion dollars worth, and two because we need to vaccinate billions of people. But, this is all tremendous news. Having two effective vaccines moves the entire timetable up.
I've got trust issues with Johnson & Johnson

That Talc baby powder, which they knew was cancerous, most likely gave thousands cancer and they continue to deny it, yet pay/settle out of court. Not sure I want to trust them with this vaccine. Luckily there are 2 promising looking alternatives.
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:31 AM   #6389
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But Gweeps, Trump got so many more retweets. Pretty interesting microcosm of why social media is so toxic, right there. Few care, relatively speaking, about the positive, non-inflammatory stuff.
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:33 AM   #6390
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What a contrast.

A great example of how an elected official should use twitter vs. Trump's unhinged aggressive approach.
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:06 AM   #6391
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Since we have an Administration that has just completely abdicated it's responsibilities now, while also refusing to share information so that the Biden team can begin coordinating a distribution plan, I think all the timelines are basically thrown out the window.
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I saw that healthcare workers in CO are blocking the cars from protesting.

I really didnít want to go there but: fuck these people. Nurses make $100k/year with full benefits. I donít feel sorry for them at all that they might catch a flu thatís not going to do anything to them. Such a stupid opportunity that theyíre fully exploiting to jerk themselves off.
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72 million people voted for this guy?
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:30 AM   #6394
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What a fucking maniac but the trolling is A+
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:34 AM   #6395
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What a fucking maniac but the trolling is A+
Right? Was he not President when the virus hit?

I know this is all just to froth up his base and annoy people like me, but man, it is annoying.
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:36 AM   #6396
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That is sad, i feel bad for these people
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Old 11-16-2020, 12:36 PM   #6397
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72 million people voted for this guy?
I think he deserves an award. Thank you Mr. Trump for saving humanity!
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Old 11-16-2020, 12:52 PM   #6398
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Old 11-16-2020, 01:03 PM   #6399
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Cool, so a better-than-expected vaccine is right around the corner BUT the virus is surging everywhere and we somehow have to survive until it gets distributed.

Anybody ever play Mario Party 9? My kids have been playing it. Right when you're about to make it to the end of the game board Bowser shows up and turns a bunch of the spaces into traps. That's what this feels like.
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Old 11-16-2020, 01:16 PM   #6400
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I dunno, I mean I’m very, very happy with the news (just forgetting about Trump’s rhetoric for a second). I read today that the measles vaccine’s efficacy is 97%, so if we’re at 95% for COVID-19, that’s unbelievably spectacular IMO.

Whatever the highest possible honor is on planet earth, if 95% bears out across the world’s population, the folks that worked to develop this vaccine in less than a year, with that efficacy, deserve such honors. This may be the greatest public health innovation/accomplishment (when you consider its speed, effectiveness, and the sheer scope of its need (worldwide))...since antibiotics?

Remember, this may also wipe out a sizable portion of common cold coronaviruses.
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