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Old 08-17-2022, 03:03 PM   #20981
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You’d only feel the need to call what he’s saying personal if you knew if were true, and thus, personal.
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Old 08-17-2022, 04:04 PM   #20982
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Old 08-17-2022, 04:13 PM   #20983
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Once again, same playbook the other trolls use, attempting to make it a personal issue in order to hide from the subject of discussion.

And, just like your simpatico troll, you immediately make wild assumptions about the other person's personal life.
Nope. I'm being patronizing because you've proven that you don't want to have any discussion where you aren't the one in the right, so what happens is anyone responding is usually on the defensive. Conversation is an art form and I give you a failing grade. Then again, you're a lawyer, right?
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Old 08-17-2022, 04:23 PM   #20984
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Nope. I'm being patronizing because you've proven that you don't want to have any discussion where you aren't the one in the right, so what happens is anyone responding is usually on the defensive. Conversation is an art form and I give you a failing grade. Then again, you're a lawyer, right?
Again, personal attacks to deflect from the substantive matter.

The topic was Trump taking documents from the White House to Mar a Largo. All you want to talk about is my personality because your kindred troll has staked out an idiotic position on the matter.
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Old 08-17-2022, 04:25 PM   #20986
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“Everyone is saying no,” said a prominent Republican lawyer, who like some others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential conversations.
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One lawyer told a story from early in Trump’s presidency of his legal team urging him against tweeting about the Mueller probe, only to find he’d tweeted about it before they got to the end of the West Wing driveway. Several people said Trump was nearly impossible to represent and that it would be unclear if they would ever get paid.
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Bobb’s prior legal experience at the federal level consists mainly of a handful of trademark infringement cases on behalf of CrossFit during a stint at a San Diego law firm. She did not respond to requests for comment.

Trump’s other lawyer currently based in Florida is Lindsey Halligan, whose practice, according to a professional biography, focuses on insurance claims at residential and commercial properties. She was admitted to the Florida bar in 2014. A search of federal court records found no filings under her name. She did not respond to requests for comment.
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Trump is also being represented in the records dispute by Alina Habba, who leads a three-attorney firm with an office near Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J. Her professional experience includes serving as general counsel to a parking garage company.
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Again, personal attacks to deflect from the substantive matter.

The topic was Trump taking documents from the White House to Mar a Largo. All you want to talk about is my personality because your kindred troll has staked out an idiotic position on the matter.
I've already given my opinions on the whole Trump problem.

I'm only responding this way because it's amazing how stubborn you are.

We aren't robots. Your personality is going to inform how you discuss things.
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Josh's tantrum would be more impressive if it was even close to the mark. A parody that gets its target wrong is just a clown.
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I've already given my opinions on the whole Trump problem.

I'm only responding this way because it's amazing how stubborn you are.

We aren't robots. Your personality is going to inform how you discuss things.
You had nothing to say on the topic but jumped in to defend your troll buddy by changing the subject to a personal attack.



That's why you're a troll.
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Old 08-17-2022, 05:44 PM   #20990
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Better to be a character than a caricature.
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Only a fool speaks when he has nothing to say.
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Old 08-17-2022, 09:20 PM   #20992
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Only a fool speaks when he has nothing to say.
Which is why I don't put much stock into what politicians say. Or the folks who adore them.

Follow the money instead.

Like this. Who cares more for their students today?

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Never take the discussion of politics seriously, only ideas. And then try to incorporate them into the machinery we call politics.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:35 PM   #20994
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Josh's tantrum would be more impressive if it was even close to the mark. A parody that gets its target wrong is just a clown.
To put it another way, Josh's parody of a Trump critic is like Alec Baldwin's parody of Trump.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:51 PM   #20995
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The word Trump should be among the definitions of the word oversaturation in all dictionaries. COVID-19 sort of gave us a break, but now it's back to the grindstone I guess.
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My predictions for the next two years in America:

`The GOP takes back Congress in November.
`Trump manages to skate yet again.
`Both Trump and Biden decide not to run again in 2024.
`It's Harris vs. DeSantis in the election.
`DeSantis wins narrowly. More Republican voters got behind voting-by-mail. GOP high-ups claim to be turning a new leaf.
`Dems take back the House.
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The word Trump should be among the definitions of the word oversaturation in all dictionaries. COVID-19 sort of gave us a break, but now it's back to the grindstone I guess.
To be fair, we've gone months without discussing him here. I don't know if you know this, but he's been in the news recently.

Perhaps we should have a Politics thread that doesn't cover current events.
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Old 08-18-2022, 06:58 AM   #20998
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To be fair, we've gone months without discussing him here. I don't know if you know this, but he's been in the news recently.

Perhaps we should have a Politics thread that doesn't cover current events.

I mean, gweeps literally wants a politics thread that ignores politicians but just "follows the money" and the cost of pencils has increased sixty cents which shows who really cares.
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this is the stable-genius some super-serious-people-with-super-serious-opinions-which-should-be-taken-seriously in this thread want to vote for - that is, unless they get the things they really, truly, genuinely care about from the democrats... things such as single-payer healthcare and free college.

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We got another freshie from the NYT! Why did Trump resist returning the documents? Oh, the NYT knows. Because he treated the government like an extension of his real estate business!

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For four years, former President Donald J. Trump treated the federal government and the political apparatus operating in his name as an extension of his private real estate company.

It all belonged to him, he felt, melded together into a Trump brand that he had been nurturing for decades.

“My generals,” he repeatedly said of the active-duty and retired military leaders who filled his government. “My money,” he often called the cash he raised through his campaign or for the Republican National Committee. “My Kevin,” he said of Representative Kevin McCarthy, the Republican leader.

And White House documents?

“They’re mine,” three of Mr. Trump’s advisers said that he stated repeatedly when he was urged to return boxes of documents, some of them highly classified, that the National Archives sought after Mr. Trump took them with him to Mar-a-Lago, his private club in Palm Beach, Fla., in January 2021. A nearly 18-month back-and-forth between the government and Mr. Trump ended in an extraordinary F.B.I. search for the documents at Mar-a-Lago last week.

The question, as with so much else around Mr. Trump, is why? Why did he insist on refusing to turn over government papers that by law did not belong to him, igniting another legal conflagration? As with so much else related to Mr. Trump, there is not one easy answer.

Here are the main possibilities.

Exciting documents

Mr. Trump, a pack rat who for decades showed off knickknacks in his overstuffed Trump Tower office — including a giant shoe that once belonged to the basketball player Shaquille O’Neal — treated the nation’s secrets as similar trinkets to brandish. White House aides described how excited he was to show off all the material he had access to, including letters from the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, which he routinely waved at visitors, alarming his advisers.

Some of those letters were among the trove that Mr. Trump had with him at Mar-a-Lago.

The former president’s thrills over the intelligence started early. In May 2017, Mr. Trump blurted out classified intelligence provided by Israel during a meeting with two high-level Russian government officials, horrifying his national security team.

Two years later, when his intelligence briefers showed him a sophisticated and sensitive photo of a failed Iranian rocket launch, Mr. Trump was gleeful. “I want to tweet this,” he told the C.I.A. director, the national security adviser and the director of national intelligence, according to a person with direct knowledge of the event.

Officials tried to stop him, but Mr. Trump went ahead and shared the photo with what were then his 63 million Twitter followers.

‘L’état, c’est moi’

Efforts intended in previous administrations to prevent conflicts of interest in the presidency were viewed derisively by Mr. Trump, who never divested from his company and kept an eye on his properties, even as he said publicly he had turned over all management to his sons.

Mr. Trump embodied Louis XIV’s phrase “L’état, c’est moi,” or “I am the state,” his own advisers and several outside observers said.

“From my own experiences with him, which is bolstered by those around him who are speaking in his defense, his actions seem to fit the pattern that as ‘king,’ he and the state are one and the same,” said Mark S. Zaid, a lawyer who frequently handles cases related to national security and security clearances, including during the Trump presidency. “He seems to honestly believe that everything he touches belongs to him, and that includes government documents that might be classified.”

Mr. Trump rarely used a Twitter handle that was assigned to the president, @POTUS, and instead preferred to have his digital director, Dan Scavino, promote the one in Mr. Trump’s own name.

The former president also regularly rejected any attempts to try to enforce outside rules, regulations or norms on the White House, and maintained that his close advisers had absolute immunity from some congressional subpoenas.

“Presidents are not kings,” Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote as a federal court judge in Washington in 2019, when over White House objections she ordered Donald F. McGahn II, Mr. Trump’s former White House counsel, to testify about what House Democrats said was a pattern of presidential obstruction of justice. She added, “They do not have subjects, bound by loyalty or blood, whose destiny they are entitled to control.”

Ripping up paper

Although Trump White House officials were warned about the proper handling of sensitive material, aides said Mr. Trump had little interest in the security of government documents or protocols to keep them protected.

Early on, Mr. Trump became known among his staff as a hoarder who threw all manner of paper — sensitive material, news clips and various other items — into cardboard boxes that a valet or other personal aide would cart around with him wherever he went.

Mr. Trump repeatedly had material sent up to the White House residence, and it was not always clear what happened to it. He sometimes asked to keep material after his intelligence briefings, but aides said he was so uninterested in the paperwork during the briefings themselves that they never understood what he wanted it for.

He also had a habit of ripping up paper, from routine documents to classified material, and leaving the pieces strewn around the floor or in a trash can. Officials would have to rummage through the shreds and tape them back together to recreate the documents in order to store them as required under the Presidential Records Act.

On some occasions, Mr. Trump would rip up documents — some with his handwriting on them — and throw the pieces in a toilet, which occasionally clogged the pipes in the White House. He did the same thing on at least two foreign trips, former officials said.

Outside the White House, secure rooms where Mr. Trump could review sensitive documents were set up at both Mar-a-Lago and the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., although he did not always use them.

Mr. Trump was meeting with the Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe at Mar-a-Lago in early 2017, for example, when North Korea launched a missile test. Rather than retreating to a secure room, Mr. Trump and his advisers reviewed security documents in the open air on the patio, using the flashlight from an iPhone. Paying members and their guests looked on at the show, taking photos and posting them on social media.

“No other president has lived in a hotel,” said John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s third national security adviser.

Over time, Mr. Trump bristled against the guardrails people tried placing on him, particularly his second White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly, who tried to impose a more rigid system for classified information.

Personal information

Mr. Trump, Mr. Bolton said, never told him he planned to take a document and use it for something beyond its value as a memento.

It was “sort of whatever he wants to grab for whatever reason,” Mr. Bolton said. “He may not even fully appreciate” precisely why he did certain things.

But officials worried, particularly about the documents falling into the wrong hands.

Other advisers wondered if Mr. Trump kept some documents because they contained details about people he knew.

Among the items that presidents are given on overseas trips are biographies of foreign leaders, a former administration official said. One version is unclassified and fairly routine. But the other is classified and can contain numerous personal details.

One of the files the F.B.I. seized at Mar-a-Lago was marked “info re: President of France,” about Emmanuel Macron.
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