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Old 08-05-2007, 11:41 AM   #1
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A Sign Of Hope

The simple fact that the band accepted Cornbread as a DMB song is an extremely hopeful sign for the future. As we all know, DMB songs that start out as a Dave Matthews songs are clearly superior.

#27 is another nice example. Perhaps the rest of the band has finally learned that when they try to conglomerate in the song writing process, the final product usually blows.

Here's to more DMB songs that can stand alone as DM songs
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:43 AM   #2
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I think you mean collaborate, not conglomerate.

Also, in some ways I agree. The old style of Dave writing songs and bringing them to the band worked very well
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:44 AM   #3
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just think if the band worked on eh hee...
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:45 AM   #4
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I think there's too much we don't know about the writing process to make a blanket statement like that. Who knows how more recent great songs have been written. Who came up with Crazy Easy and when and how. Sugar Will, Shotgun, Idea, whatever. I don't disagree with you that it's a good thing, especially because my testicles ache to hear Carter jamming on Eh Hee. But there's an awful lot of assumption in your post.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:49 AM   #5
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I think there's too much we don't know about the writing process to make a blanket statement like that. Who knows how more recent great songs have been written. Who came up with Crazy Easy and when and how. Sugar Will, Shotgun, Idea, whatever. I don't disagree with you that it's a good thing, especially because my testicles ache to hear Carter jamming on Eh Hee. But there's an awful lot of assumption in your post.
there is a lot of assumption and guessing with most of our posts. The pure fact of the matter is, they all worked together (and with Bat$on) in the studio with the Stand Up songs and they didn't seem to have the DMB spark. Already, these two new songs that Dave road tested solo and with tim have shown a lot of promise. It's obvious over the first few performances that DMB hasn't really done much with these songs yet, while Dave has already played them a number of times - enough that he's got established lyrics to them.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:51 AM   #6
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I think there's too much we don't know about the writing process to make a blanket statement like that. Who knows how more recent great songs have been written. Who came up with Crazy Easy and when and how. Sugar Will, Shotgun, Idea, whatever. I don't disagree with you that it's a good thing, especially because my testicles ache to hear Carter jamming on Eh Hee. But there's an awful lot of assumption in your post.



That's true. I do think the songs you mentioned were all Dave diddies that were presented to the band (although I have no proof to back it up).

Crazy Easy, Sugar Will, Shotgun, IOY all have Dave's style of song writing stamped on the riffs. They can all stand alone as just a guy with a guitar.

Songs like Smooth Rider, Everybody Wake Up, Steady As We Go, etc are too shallow sounding to play solo. It sounds like those songs were written as a band, and not presented by Dave alone initially.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:52 AM   #7
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The simple fact that the band accepted Cornbread as a DMB song is an extremely hopeful sign for the future. As we all know, DMB songs that start out as a Dave Matthews songs are clearly superior.

#27 is another nice example. Perhaps the rest of the band has finally learned that when they try to conglomerate in the song writing process, the final product usually blows.

Here's to more DMB songs that can stand alone as DM songs
I agree with you generally, but at this point, I dont think the band is going to be together long enough to really take advantage of the second coming of a bunch of DM-penned songs.

I think if we see a whole new batch of DM-penned songs, its going to be in the D & F format.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:57 AM   #8
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Sugar Will seems Stefan to me. who the fuck knows though
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:05 PM   #9
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Sugar Will seems Stefan to me. who the fuck knows though
Sugar Will has a very creative (for Dave) guitar part. I'd say this was penned by DM. It doesn't appear to be an acoustic piece that was added to a bass line. Usually when that happens, Dave is much lazier (ie: Smooth Rider).

Of course, you're right, who the fuck knows.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:34 PM   #10
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Sugar Will has a very creative (for Dave) guitar part. I'd say this was penned by DM. It doesn't appear to be an acoustic piece that was added to a bass line. Usually when that happens, Dave is much lazier (ie: Smooth Rider).

Of course, you're right, who the fuck knows.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:35 PM   #11
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:38 PM   #12
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Sugar Will has a very creative (for Dave) guitar part. I'd say this was penned by DM. It doesn't appear to be an acoustic piece that was added to a bass line. Usually when that happens, Dave is much lazier (ie: Smooth Rider).
you can't say that about Dreaming Tree with I think was a Stefan bass line song
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:41 PM   #13
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you can't say that about Dreaming Tree with I think was a Stefan bass line song
It's not like Dave's guitar part in Dreaming Tree is something complex though.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:44 PM   #14
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It's not like Dave's guitar part in Dreaming Tree is something complex though.
So pretty though.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:48 PM   #15
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The Official Cornbread Discussion Thread

The chorus on this song reminds me of the instrumental breakdown in "Stand Up". I know Cornbread is a much much better song...so I apologize for comparing the two...but it reminds me of that.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:49 PM   #16
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It's not like Dave's guitar part in Dreaming Tree is something complex though.
it's not in Sugar Will either. it's the same thing for 15 minutes.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:50 PM   #17
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The Stand Up breakdown is good stuff as is Cornbread. Not really sure this merits its own thread, though.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:52 PM   #18
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The Stand Up breakdown is good stuff as is Cornbread. Not really sure this merits its own thread, though.
Why not, what else are we gonna discuss right now. I haven't given it enough listen to see that breakdown in the chorus yet, but I'll look for it.
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:52 PM   #19
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The Stand Up breakdown is good stuff as is Cornbread. Not really sure this merits its own thread, though.
Sorry...I mean I guess I could have posted this in the thread for the show last night...but I didn't see an exclusive Cornbread thread. My bad.
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So pretty though.
Oh for sure. And it fits the song perfectly.
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