She - Page 8

typsitch · 05-21-2018, 09:38 PM

yea, the chorus is definitely what makes the song. and that chocolate rain shit that Buddy is playing over it really works.

SeekUpAB · 05-21-2018, 09:42 PM

Someone should’ve told him to work on the chorus lyrics a little longer.

Tambourine Man · 05-21-2018, 10:04 PM

I want to say it sucks because that’s how I feel. But I think it has a chance to turn into something

greykitkat36 · 05-22-2018, 12:56 AM

Pretty hard to beleive this song and Come Tomorrow would be on the same album. This song is light years better than CT. I think Dave will get better at singing live as it progresses. Hope they play this a lot and flesh it out this summer. I think it has potential to become a real live staple.

gweeps · 05-22-2018, 02:34 AM

Okay, given the themes of the album, I can see why Bismarck didn't make the cut. Should've been an iTunes exclusive though. But Death on the High Seas? It's not a great song by any stretch, but it has a moodiness to it. It's lyric is not complete cheese. Hell, Dave even said he wrote it for his children, not some other folks' children like CT. Would've made a better penultimate track if it had to be. I'm not embarrassed to hear it.

(I gotta stop with the "what-ifs". Gonna drive myself crazy.)

greykitkat36 · 05-22-2018, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SeekUpAB

Someone should’ve told him to work on the chorus lyrics a little longer.

I mean, they're still much much better than what we've been dealt the last few years. I'll take these lyrics any damn day:

"Ain't no god or man could kill the burning fire
She is born in the middle of my soul
If you wait to long to taste the ju ju it's gone
The lights are off, you've run out of time"

INSTEAD OF"

"So hungry, so hungry
You make me so hungry
I'm like a junkie for you baby"

"We gotta do much more than believe, if we want to change things"

gweeps · 05-22-2018, 04:41 AM

It's barely a stone's throw out of Crummy County.

JamSession v2.0 · 05-22-2018, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by greykitkat36

I mean, they're still much much better than what we've been dealt the last few years. I'll take these lyrics any damn day:

"Ain't no god or man could kill the burning fire
She is born in the middle of my soul
If you wait to long to taste the ju ju it's gone
The lights are off, you've run out of time"

INSTEAD OF"

"So hungry, so hungry
You make me so hungry
I'm like a junkie for you baby"

"We gotta do much more than believe, if we want to change things"

I've listened to She several times now and I am certain it's not ju-ju.

gweeps · 05-22-2018, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JamSession v2.0

I've listened to She several times now and I am certain it's not ju-ju.

I'm fairly certain it's

there ain't no god or man
could kill the burning fire
she is born in the middle of my soul
if you wait too long to taste the dew
dew is gone, the lights are off
you have run out of time

That is garbage. It's catchy though.

In fact the more I listen to this song, the less I like it. It may have an intricate guitar riff compared to other songs, but it's bland in overall construction, aside from the catchy chorus which is rubbishly worded. (See I can use words clumsily, too!) The horns initially sound neat because of the effects, but quickly reveal their unimaginative structure.

If it reminds me of any other "alternative" band, it's Foo Fighters, a mostly bland rock act.

DMBCLSTJ · 05-22-2018, 07:25 AM

Serious question... but did everyone think that Dave was a poet in the past? Dreaming Tree/Seek Up those were the exceptions not the rule. I really think people over inflate Dave's writing ability. He was never a great lyricist IMO.

gweeps · 05-22-2018, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCLSTJ

Serious question... but did everyone think that Dave was a poet in the past? Dreaming Tree/Seek Up those were the exceptions not the rule. I really think people over inflate Dave's writing ability. He was never a great lyricist IMO.

Maybe it's simply the poor music exposing his weaknesses even more?

ugadmb · 05-22-2018, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gweeps

Maybe it's simply the poor music exposing his weaknesses even more?

Ding ding. I think the music was just better and it didn't stand out as much.

Bluewater34 · 05-22-2018, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ugadmb

Ding ding. I think the music was just better and it didn't stand out as much.

I think that’s true, but I also think that Dave’s lyric writing has notably declined along with the music. Just maybe not to the same extent.

ugadmb · 05-22-2018, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluewater34

I think that’s true, but I also think that Dave’s lyric writing has notably declined along with the music. Just maybe not to the same extent.

Agree to this. Problem is, I don't think he's able/willing to throw in a gem like The Stone, Dreaming Tree, Spoon every now and then. Hell, the closest he got IMO was Bismarck and it got cut.

mja271 · 05-22-2018, 08:24 AM

I think the profundity of Dave's lyrics was always a bit overstated but he had a good way of serving the song and wrote lyrics that just sounded good. Not everything has to be a lyrical masterpiece as long as it's just nice to listen to and flows with the music. I think some of the simplification of the music and him becoming way too overt and on the noise with his writing has made it stick out way more now.

Bluewater34 · 05-22-2018, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mja271

I think the profundity of Dave's lyrics was always a bit overstated but he had a good way of serving the song and wrote lyrics that just sounded good. Not everything has to be a lyrical masterpiece as long as it's just nice to listen to and flows with the music. I think some of the simplification of the music and him becoming way too overt and on the noise with his writing has made it stick out way more now.

Yeah, I completely agree with all of that.

Thrawn · 05-22-2018, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCLSTJ

Serious question... but did everyone think that Dave was a poet in the past? Dreaming Tree/Seek Up those were the exceptions not the rule. I really think people over inflate Dave's writing ability. He was never a great lyricist IMO.

List the 5 worst lyrics from BTCS. Then, list the 5 worst lyrics from Come Tomorrow, just the song. I bet I know which is worse.

Jayes · 05-22-2018, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBCLSTJ

Serious question... but did everyone think that Dave was a poet in the past? Dreaming Tree/Seek Up those were the exceptions not the rule. I really think people over inflate Dave's writing ability. He was never a great lyricist IMO.

Holy fuck, this fanbase is totally fucked

typsitch · 05-22-2018, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mja271

I think the profundity of Dave's lyrics was always a bit overstated but he had a good way of serving the song and wrote lyrics that just sounded good. Not everything has to be a lyrical masterpiece as long as it's just nice to listen to and flows with the music. I think some of the simplification of the music and him becoming way too overt and on the noise with his writing has made it stick out way more now.

Exactly.

He's really just rarely clever or abstract with his lyrics now.

And listen to his best adlibs pre06 and you can see he did have a bit of lyrical genius in him back then.

typsitch · 05-22-2018, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gweeps

I'm fairly certain it's

there ain't no god or man
could kill the burning fire
she is born in the middle of my soul
if you wait too long to taste the dew
dew is gone, the lights are wrong
you have run out of time

That is garbage. It's catchy though.

Pretty sure it's juju and lights are off.

05-22-2018, 12:56 AM	#144
greykitkat36 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 9,769	Pretty hard to beleive this song and Come Tomorrow would be on the same album. This song is light years better than CT. I think Dave will get better at singing live as it progresses. Hope they play this a lot and flesh it out this summer. I think it has potential to become a real live staple. __________________ S'cuse me. (spits out Ricola) Its just so I know where it is, so I can get it after. Can't waste it, Ricola's delicious."-- DJM

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gweeps Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kingston ON, Canada Posts: 24,678	It's barely a stone's throw out of Crummy County. Last edited by gweeps; 05-22-2018 at 05:27 AM.

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05-21-2018, 09:38 PM	#141
typsitch setlist communist by necessity Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,503	yea, the chorus is definitely what makes the song. and that chocolate rain shit that Buddy is playing over it really works.

05-21-2018, 09:42 PM	#142
SeekUpAB Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 3,421	Someone should’ve told him to work on the chorus lyrics a little longer.

05-21-2018, 10:04 PM	#143
Tambourine Man now in Capshaw Blue Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: behind the miller's shed Posts: 14,308	I want to say it sucks because that’s how I feel. But I think it has a chance to turn into something

05-22-2018, 02:34 AM	#145
gweeps Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kingston ON, Canada Posts: 24,678	Okay, given the themes of the album, I can see why Bismarck didn't make the cut. Should've been an iTunes exclusive though. But Death on the High Seas? It's not a great song by any stretch, but it has a moodiness to it. It's lyric is not complete cheese. Hell, Dave even said he wrote it for his children, not some other folks' children like CT. Would've made a better penultimate track if it had to be. I'm not embarrassed to hear it. (I gotta stop with the "what-ifs". Gonna drive myself crazy.)

05-22-2018, 07:25 AM	#150
DMBCLSTJ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,046	Serious question... but did everyone think that Dave was a poet in the past? Dreaming Tree/Seek Up those were the exceptions not the rule. I really think people over inflate Dave's writing ability. He was never a great lyricist IMO.