Yeah but that #41 and that Stone tho.

There are many better released performances of either song.

I've always thought Listener Supported was held in high esteem only because of when it was released. It was only their second or third live album (depends on if you're counting Remember Two Things) so for a lot of people it was the first concert they listened to or watched. If this show were randomly released today, I doubt anyone would remember it after a month.

Im not sure i totally buy this. I think it certainly plays a major role in why its so highly ranked, but seriously those versions sound amazing. I feel confident in saying if it was released later, people would hear them and be very impressed with those cuts of #41 and Stone.

Theres also tremendous replay value of those versions, which i honestly not sure if i can say that about a number of other shows that have been released recently. Not exactly sure why that is, but Listener Supported is a fantastic show. It was close enough to 98 that the songs are fresh, it has dave on that Martin guitar which sounds completely different than the Chet and they knew they needed to be on that night so they played their asses off.

Listener supported #41 is the best live performance of the song. It’s literally perfect.

You are correct.

It’s almost impossible for any of us here to be objective about Listener Supported or Red Rocks. For a long time it was the only live DMB we had. We were also all young and fresh-faced fans discovering the music for the first time. In reality, I bet there are at least half a dozen #41s from that same tour that are just as good or better. But LS is the one that was released and the one everyone got to fall in love with.

Oh, get out of here with your common sense and logic.

But yeah.

#40 from Piedmont Park came up on my Pandora mix - can't say that I liked it.

#41 from Listener's Supported still holds up for sure.

It's definitely one of the best versions in 1999, no doubt. Certainly one of the best non--guest #41s, if not THE best one.

My favourite 41 is the Alpine ‘04. Live Trax 8. My favourite Roi 41 solo. LS ever so slightly behind. A toss up really.

Still going through this Darien '03 show....this is one of the most interesting, hardcore fan friendly sets I've seen. Boyd's bad, but not a deal-breaker here....and LeRoi and Butch really hide him throughout the show. More organ from Butch than I remember and Roi's more active than usual for this time period, as well. I mean, just look at this set.....the only real duds are WAYG and When the World Ends....and by today's standards, that's not bad at all. This is still before Jimi was tired and stale, 41 was straightforward and didn't meander, and Grey Street had just been castrated the prior tour, so the Grace & Grey encore is unique and very much welcome.

Dave Matthews Band
June 20, 2003
Darien Lake Performing Arts Center, Darien Center, NY

Stay (Wasting Time)
If I Had It All
You Never Know
#41
Pay for What You Get
Loving Wings :segue
Where Are You Going
Kit Kat Jam
When the World Ends
Cry Freedom
The Last Stop
Lover Lay Down :segue
The Stone
Jimi Thing
The Dreaming Tree
Tripping Billies
____________

Grace Is Gone
Grey Street

I was at this one. Boyd was bad but at the time is wasn't something my ear was hearing loud and clear. What a set. That run from Cry Freedom to Billies was something.

Definitely, the whole thing has been enjoyable....and the tape is great, which adds to the enjoyment. Glad I randomly picked this one.

Can't say I agree.

This was my second show. My first was 12/16/02 and Darien was actually a bit of a letdown comparatively. Even with so many awesome songs in the Setlist. Boyd ruining my first #41, Jimi, Billies, Stone, YNK and Cry Freedom was a big part of the letdown.

My other issue with the show was set flow. Going from that killer Stay opener to IIHIA was whiplash. That run of PFWYG / Loving Wings / WAYG was actually a total crowd killer. I could barely hear the music by the end, people were talking so much. Also, Butch took the solo on Loving Wings and it was frankly a terrible solo with that cheesy organ tone. Also, at the time GiG and Grey were the most overplayed and expected songs, so the encore was actually a bit of a bummer. Hell, Grey closing is always a bummer.

The last chunk of the main set was great though. This Kit Kat Jam is the best version ever though - and what was actually intended to be on DMB LIVE 25 (it was miscatalogued by the dmb camp and we wound up with the version from the previous show).

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The quality of production on that live Recently is fucking outstanding. May not be one of the best performances of the song but god damn does it sound amazing.

The best Sugar Will they've ever played is on that disc.

:upyours :upyours :upyours

It sounds so so good. One of my go-to tracks for that song.

And the best guested version? 6/16/13 with Victor Wooten is tops in my book. His solo and the back and forth between him and Carter are both just fantastic.

That's your favourite #41 with a guest??? Wow. Have you heard the version from Ottawa is '02 with the Flecktones?

That '13 version was nice but likely at the very bottom of my #41 guest spot list.

Agreed.

That was an awesome performance and it was really fun with the whole "let's go bruins" chant and Dave saying it sounded like "Victor Wooten!" and then he introduces him, it was just such a blast. I would say though, my favorite Flecktone-guest #41 is still 9/15/00 followed by 4/20/02 as was mentioned, 12/8/98, 8/5/06, 5/30/99, 10/18/97, 6/8/97, 7/25/01, LiC. Then for other guest versions, 5/15/01 with Soulive, 10/2/07 with Mayer, 7/30/10 with Warren, so many.

9/15/00 so good but ahead of 4/20/02?

My favorite is LT1 with Bela/Jeff.

I always liked 9/4/00

Classic

Gaucho studio cut. This one gets the shaft unnecessarily.

Agreed. Great music. It's just the chorus lyric that is a bit cheesy. Otherwise, I love it.

One of the worst chorus' in the bands history. For that, Gaucho is useless to me. Which is too bad because the music is great and so are the verses. That chorus.. come on Dave. I just can't listen to it.

For me, yes. I mean its not lightyears ahead or anything but one of the few things that keeps it #1 for me is Carter and Futureman extend that crescendo during Jeff's solo and force Jeff to just keep going balls out to the point where you almost hear Jeff losing wind at one point. It was a really cool moment and something that stood out for me the moment I first heard the recording. But I will say I would never fault anyone for picking another Flecktone related performance over 9/15/00 as their favorite. There are a bunch of Flecktone related #41 performances that have something different like Bela playing his custom purple Deering electric banjo on the 8/15/06 guest spot, or Futureman and Carter kicking off #41 with a back and forth like on 5/30/99, performances with just Jeff or only Bela or only Victor, then when the whole band is on, there are versions where different guys may take the first solo, version like you mentioned 4/20/02 where Vic and Bela do a trade-off. I've just always loved Flecktone guest spots, especially #41 because you can look back and they're not all the same.

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a few nice moments on this release.

Love that disc.

I wore fuck out of that disc in 2007 my freshman year of college.

Can anyone throw up a dl link to the 9/15/00 #41?

Edit: Anyone?

This is the one with the feedback during the Black Water interpolation right?

Thank you sir!

Still gives me goosebumps.

20 fucking years...jesus.

4/20/01 Soundcheck

Vegas 2009. Solid set.

I decided to start the 2017 D&T tour from start to finish. Then maybe 1999 or something, but I don't think I have those shows on my HD.

2017 is a good choice. Lots of variety and you get a good mix of covers plus songs they've never or rarely done before like Pig, Rapunzel, YMDT, etc.

Pay for What You Get from Mexico.

Great version. Crowd sucks.

Pay has now been played 35 times in 20 years.

Found this:

That's great, thanks. Hadn't seen that.

What are you currently listening to? (DMB edition)
 

What a great tune. Takes me right back, too. Edit: whoops just saw that was last year.

8/25/95 - Finger Lakes Performing Arts Center (CMAC)

Live on Lakeside. Wish we got the whole thing.

What more did you want to hear from N3? I think what we got was pretty good.

LWS.

not sure why but ive been leaning on that a lot this month. still wanna hear monkey man live.

I randomly had the urge to listen to LWS over the weekend. I didn't because I didn't have it handy, but still. Weird.

That's a hell of a dream.

It holds up so well.

Buena is the main track missing that I would’ve liked on that release.

yet another cover that i'd rather hear any time they start up the sledgehammer.

I randomly put on LT 12: 5.5.95 to listen to while I pulled up all my front yard grass and hot damn what a show!! :rawk I was groovin and jamming the whole time...never had some much fun pulling up grass. :lol

Does anyone have 7/1/10 they can share?

2011 is a great year. The band sounds great. Bartender and say goodbye are two of my faves from the release. I’m also a fan of full shows and would have liked to have the complete set. Happy to have what I have though!!

agreed. I thought 2011 was great too because of no long tour. They were rested, sounded refreshed and inspired. And because there were much less shows, they really opened the catalog up...more than pretty much any year ever in such a short span (with 2010 and 2013 being close, but those were full tours).

I genuinely think the 2011 Atlantic City release is one of the best live releases the band has produced. It's probably the only one after 2008 that has any chance at a top 10 list, but I think it makes mine.

Scranton 2010 sits alone atop my "post-2008" list. The AC Caravan release is definitely second, though, with Star Lake '09 coming in third. :nod:upyours

Still can’t believe we traveled 4 hours to bethel the night before that show. It would have only been a couple hours more and we drove to VA beach a week later which was a 9 hour drive. Just felt like we missed great shows by 1 night twice there.

Bethel was great (pig, JTR, the maker, BEF>bartender, LIOG, and a GGT tease) but the return of the instrumental intro to one sweet world was the next night. Bummer.

I did both shows; definitely remember Scranton being the standout while Bethel was no slouch that year. Problem with bethel was the pouring rain all day that really put a damper on things.

The rain definitely brought some troubles to us on the way over for us. But for the show we were under the roof (actually 7th row) and it’s such a small pavillion that we had to go. I’ll never forget it was sunny when we left my house and sports center was rolling all sorts of memorials to George Steinbrenner who died that day. Half way through CT it started pouring. But cleared up by the time we got to the venue.

thanks :upyours

Does anyone have a link to 6.25.08 loving wings? I’ve really gotta that stuck in my head. When Tim takes over it goes to another level.

A few studio tracks this morning:

DDTW
Dodo
DYR
LIOG

I love the sort of ripping/palm muted electric guitar deep in the background throughout parts of DDTW. Bela's fills are lovely too - also one of Dave's best vocal performances on record.

Dodo...I love the clean, whirling sound before the music starts and Dave plays his opening chords. Just a top tier tune.

DYR - love how Carter enters this song and how you can hear Fonz jump right in too. I don't love how Dave's acoustic guitar transitions from the verse into the chords, mix wise. It seems too produced, instead of him actually playing that transition, if you know what I mean.

LIOG is a pure gem. Boyd's solo is pure happiness - I love the little notes Fonz plays coming out of that part though...everyone shines. I could get lost in that jam for hours.

All very well put. Couldn’t agree more. And yeah, I could get listen to the LIOG jam for hours.

Thanks! You’re the best!

ugh that clapping is awful

One of my favorite performances of the song.

WWYS Deer Creek 7/23/16

Smokin' hot. :upyours

11/6/2010 - The Last Stop

Really like Tim's work on the outro. Gives it a cool "country" feel.

7/13/13

The opening run of Squirm > Alligator Pie > Bayou is....interesting. It was so goddamn hot that day, too. Pretty solid show, for 2013.

And Mark Whitfield's guest spots on If Only and Crash are by far the most underrated out there; I love what he adds to both tunes.

I remember the ending to that two step being intense. Solid show top to bottom.

7/9/00

Nothing better then listening to some prime DMB on a 80 degree sunny day. Feels like summer already.

I've got the 2016 Gorge run on now; and this sounds worlds better than DMB 4.0; I don't know, it's just the further back I go in DMB history, the better things sound.

Interesting. I wanted to love that Gorge '16 Live Trax because of how awesome the set was, but I found the whole show sounded really sloppy. I've listened to it twice. Maybe I'll give it another shot today. But overall, that show didn't sound better than 4.0 at all, IMO.

I just don't like Buddy being front and center on most songs; he's as subtle as Rashawn is, which is just above 'freight train.' I also like the violin, despite Boyd being awful, so I'd take 3.0 over 4.0; just like I'd take 2.0 over 3.0 and 1.0 over 2.0.

I think all 4 renditions of the band have some pros and cons, and there’s thing I like and dislike about all of them. If I had to say though 4.0 to me sounds the most boring and predictable of all the eras to me.

I think the undeniably tightest version of the band was on display from 2000-2004. So many great recordings and versions of songs new and old. Definitely prefer the even numbered years in that stretch...

Probably in the minority who would take like 2008-2010 DMB next in the pecking order.

With the exception of a few specific performances (EG Last Stop, LIC) I've never been as crazy about 1998 fall DMB as others.

from a listening enjoyment standpoint, I can safely say that while, yes, the violin was a staple of the original sound, I largely have no interest listening back to absolute shit musicianship from Boyd all those years. He added nothing but crazy stage presence for so many years.

no era was flawless, for sure. For me, a 2008 lineup that dropped Rashawn and kept Butch would have been the dream. Should Tim leave the band, I would literally have zero interest in any further listening of new shows or albums. Obviously, my musical tastes have changed in the direction of much more guitar-oriented music, so I'm the one dude on this board losing my shit over how ballsy the DDTW from The Night Before was.

Still, though, the biggest issue with the band as time passes is the miss rate of Dave's songwriting - lyrics in particular. We can argue over the use/misuse of musicianship, but the songs have gotten lazier and lazier.

Also, I find Buddy to be very gimmicky, with a few exceptions (Grace, Seek Up, etc).

What DDTW are you referring to? I’d like to check it out,

I’d like to pretend that show doesn’t exist. I look back at that weekend as the darkest period in DMB history aside from August 2008.
Even though I was curious about DMB without Boyd, that show did not fill me with any confidence at all.

While it wasn't particularly good, what it did for me was prove that they can exist without Boyd.

I think adding Buddy was essential in filling the sound out.
But aside from that, Tim was overbearing to make up for Boyd and Carter was oddly bad in that Night Before show. It was just a terribly played show (aside from a couple songs).

Yeah, I had no hope for the sound of the band after that first show without Boyd. I basically had no hope, until the rumors that Buddy was joining. They honesty really surprised me with that first night in Houston. The tempo of the songs were so much slower, and the piano fills were tasteful. Tim was much lower in the mix too, and you could actually hear Dave’s guitar again. I was excited about the bands sound for the first time in a long time. You can tell they really worked hard to make this work without Boyd.

I think overall the sound is much better now then most of 3.0. I just don’t like the super fast tempo and overbearing electric guitar that was most of 3.0.

I agree. The recent Warehouse disc is, by and large, some pretty chill well-performed music. Not thrashy chaos.

Ty :)

Had a little couch tour last night with a few TDCers.

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We watched Copperpot's video without looking at the set.

A few things

I miss THAT Carter (The Stone was amazing) and LeRoi.

Boyd had a few low moments but it wasn't a show that featured a lot of him. Very cool set, especially not really knowing what was coming. Encore is a little weak, but if you have some time throw it on. Fun show.

Grey Street with 3 verses is still awesome. The Space Between is so much better today than it was back then.

Loved The Stone / LLD segues in '02.

They were probably pissed, uncomfortable and in a terrible mood. Imagine what it had to take for Dave to send Boyd home. Then walk out on stage without him. I make no judgment for anything that night. They got through it.

Same band that learned their friend was dead and walked out onstage and did a pretty great show :dunno

yeah, to be clear, i dont have much desire to listen to that show again, but it had it's moments. for ME, personally, i enjoyed the Tim heavy DDTW, SMTS, and then i actually thought YNK and Space Between were examples of how a less "heavy" version of the lineup could sound.

Also, to be clear, I am not clamoring for the 80's hair metal tim - moreso, idealistically, I'd prefer his atmospheric (think Dodo, Trouble, Seek Up) self to be a larger part of the band now. but I also love what he does on Crush, Two Step, Graves, etc from a lead point of view. And i think it's cool that he's never quite in the same place for these solos. I always preferred his David Gilmour-esque leads. I know that song has suddenly become divisive, but Tim's contributions on the newer Sugar Wills were brilliant, i thought.

i do think a keyboard was necessary to soften the sound a bit, I just question why buddy has to feature so heavily in this sound. love his piano additions, but the organ stuff is just cheesy imho.

2002 holiday tour disc. That was a great tour YNK sounds wonderful. 2.0 is prime dmb right there.