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Tambourine Man 05-20-2012 01:37 AM

Boyd's skreetirement from DMB
 
For those of you who say Boyd is inconsistent. You're wrong. He is consistently bad. Hes been unlistenable for 4 years now. He can't remember signature parts to Big Eyed Fish, the bridge on Too Much. Even after being reminded. He's nowhere to be found on the new material live even though Lillywhite forced him to play.

He's nowhere to be found on Big Whiskey live or in the studio. With some very small exceptions.

The audio crew has to put him on mute except for when they're obligated to let him play. Like on Nancies. Then he always ends up sounding terrible.

Anytime they have something new to play he's always plucking some bullshit.

He needs to call it a career and find something that stimulates him more. I think violin is such an integral piece to DMB's sound. Yes Boyd has a distinct sound and energy. More than Roi did. But they'd be better off with a good player. I'd love to hear a show where the violin is just as prominent as the horns. It's high time.

Tomacco 05-20-2012 01:40 AM

Not an unfair statement. The violin sound is definitely needed, but I'm also on the fence about whether Boyd's "shtick" is worth being MIA on so much of the new material. And the new material is really good, and he's just missing his opportunity to put his stamp on it too. Could be better off to have a good violinist playing good stuff across the board, even despite not dancing around all over the stage.

sean52692 05-20-2012 01:41 AM

Lakeside N2 last year he was on fire, though skreed a couple times. It was really awesome, since they played a lot of his signature songs - LIOG, Billies, Crush, and almost remembered all of his parts in Too Much. He was really into it, though

Tomacco 05-20-2012 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sean52692 (Post 6835935)
Lakeside N2 last year he was on fire, though skreed a couple times. It was really awesome, since they played a lot of his signature songs - LIOG, Billies, Crush, and almost remembered all of his parts in Too Much. He was really into it, though

Yeah. But in general I am definitely more concerned about his lack of inclusion in any new material in the past 3 years. He's noticed on Alligator Pie, LITHOG, FTWII, and Squirm. Everything else... no.

sean52692 05-20-2012 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomacco (Post 6835936)
Yeah. But in general I am definitely more concerned about his lack of inclusion in any new material in the past 3 years. He's noticed on Alligator Pie, LITHOG, FTWII, and Squirm. Everything else... no.

He should have been a huge part of the A-Pie studio cut.

I remember one LITHOG from 09 where he played something interesting, think it was from Europe.

Tambourine Man 05-20-2012 01:47 AM

His dancing and whatever is definitely a gimmick that I think draws people to concerts. But he's quite simply an embarrassment. He ruins their sound. They all work hard and he shows up 30 mins before the show with a beanie over his sunglasses. I really miss a lot of the old parts he used to play. But even if those parts never get played again, I miss the violin sound the most. Tim and Jeff are great, but they need a prominent violin sound mixed in with that. He does nothing for them now except take bad solos. They'd be better off getting another keyboard player and dumping Boyd. But ultimately just a professional violin player.

gweeps 05-20-2012 01:47 AM

Seems many won't agree with your proposal. :lol
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Tomacco 05-20-2012 01:50 AM

Well, everyone wants Boyd to be contributing. But so far, two shows in, nobody is impressed.

Tambourine Man 05-20-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sean52692 (Post 6835935)
Lakeside N2 last year he was on fire, though skreed a couple times. It was really awesome, since they played a lot of his signature songs - LIOG, Billies, Crush, and almost remembered all of his parts in Too Much. He was really into it, though

I mean that's a pretty low benchmark. Almost remembering a signature part that he's probably played thousands of times. And the other songs you talk about are just solos. Tim and Jeff don't just play solos. They are always filling out stuff. So many opportunities for Boyd to do that and he just doesn't.

Listen to Grace is gone from last night. There's like 2 seconds of Boyd.

sean52692 05-20-2012 01:53 AM

Tamby, I pretty much agree with everything you said

krayz 05-20-2012 01:58 AM

let's just start over with Dave front-manning the Flecktones so all you sick assholes get what you want

Tomacco 05-20-2012 02:01 AM

It's just kind of weird how the band member known as being the most energetic is now the least energized person on stage. Stefan seems more into it than Boyd now even. Ten years ago it would have been the total reverse.

Tambourine Man 05-20-2012 02:06 AM

Gweeps I read that thread. Seemed like more about personal attacks on you. He had some ok moments in '08 and '09. He was actually pretty decent in '07. So I think people just thought he was going through a slump. But he's been consistently bad since 2008. I can't point to one solo or performance of his that I've been impressed by. Also I think it's become clear to us recently that they have him on mute.

I mean some people say it's inconsequential because he's on mute so who cares Tim and Jeff can take over. The thing is that I want to hear the violin sound. They could get somebody of Jeff's calibre up there and they could sound so much better.

I'm not saying this because I hate DMB. I think they sound the best they ever have. I just want a violin to be part of that sound.

FiddySpence 05-20-2012 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gweeps (Post 6835940)
Seems many won't agree with your proposal. :lol
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to be fair, basically all the "no" votes are the best posters here.

FiddySpence 05-20-2012 02:11 AM

i'm indifferent. if he stays and keeps doing things the way he has been lately, whatever. they've compensated for it and the band really does sound great. if he leaves, whatever. no skin off my back and a replacement could improve the violin sound or they just drop that altogether.

the whole "boyd was what made DMB unique so he HAS to stay" argument is bullshit. the lack of a lead electric guitar was cited as unique to them just as much as boyd and most reasonable folks are more than happy with having tim around now. bands evolve and lineups change. it's just a fact of life.

but i really don't feel passionately about this one way or the other at this point. it is what it is.

Tambourine Man 05-20-2012 02:19 AM

They sound really great now but I think they'd sound a lot better if they got an A+ violin player up there to fill out their sound and counterbalance the electric.

I'm sure they've had these discussions. It doesn't go unnoticed when he's never there for soundcheck, rehearsal, etc. I'm sure hes probably done that his entire career but he sounds really bad now. Look at the video of Help Myself from Gorge '08. Dave turns his head abruptly to Boyd several times with a pissed off look because he pretty much ruined the song.

drh424s 05-20-2012 02:27 AM

he hasn't been the same since roi passed on

Tambourine Man 05-20-2012 02:33 AM

No. Listen to some early '08 tapes. He sounded worse than he sounds now. He was awful 6-20-08. Subject yourself to nancies from that show.

ggies 05-20-2012 06:42 AM

I'm starting to come around to this idea, but if we're talking about not playing certain parts, holy shit it's Carter. I think it's probably his age, but man has he dumb down a lot of his stuff. He missed a lot of his fills on nancies last night. Just basic beats to get back to the chorus. Since I'm a drummer and pay attention to his playing, he was def. a more simple, so it's not just Boyd not playing his "correct parts".

Jayes 05-20-2012 08:48 AM

I think Carter's still getting into the tour groove. did his kit shrink/change again?


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